LOTG Fall 2023 Wins

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Hi Don,
Congrats on winning this nice looking Sisler card in LOTG. However, the bottom border leads me to very strongly suspect that SGC erred in identifying this as a W575-1 card. Rather, I suspect it is a W501 Type 2 card, which I don't think has yet been recognized by the TPGs. I believe Rhett Y. is the resident expert re these W501 cards - perhaps he will chime in.

As many are aware, I'm an avid collector of Sam Rice cards, and I have examples of his W575-1, W501 Type 1, and W501 Type 2 cards. I have a duplicate of Rice's W501 Type 2 card, and it is currently listed on eBay. In my eBay listing I have info regarding the differences in these cards, which may interest you: https://www.ebay.com/itm/354418082729

Val, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. It is always a treat to read what you have to share.

I have dug into the material more and I believe you are right. I would not have known this if you had not pointed it out, so thank you.

I am still happy with the purchase. It is a great image of Sisler.

I am not sure how to feel with this new knowledge. SGC/PSA not knowing how to label this variation/type is not really surprising to be honest.

[molenick]

Congratulations to the winners of any Old Judge proofs. I think there were either too many in the same auction and/or the starting bids on many of them were too high. Six did not receive any bids, six received one bid, and six received more than one bid...and of those six, only two had what I would call "spirited bidding" (Holbert and Bierbauer/Gamble).

I imagine either the consignor and/or Al decided on selling that many with high starting bids, and I can understand worrying that if you start too low it will sell too low, but in hindsight (which of course is 20-20) I think it may have worked against the cards.

I really like them, as I see do some others, but the market may be a little thin to absorb that many at once.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Val, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. It is always a treat to read what you have to share.

I have dug into the material more and I believe you are right. I would not have known this if you had not pointed it out, so thank you.

I am still happy with the purchase. It is a great image of Sisler.

I am not sure how to feel with this new knowledge. SGC/PSA not knowing how to label this variation/type is not really surprising to be honest.

Don,
Thanks for your kind words. I agree that your Sisler card has a great batting image of Sisler. And, I would guess that your W501 Type 2 card is scarcer than Sisler's W575-1 card. Hopefully, in time, the TPGs will come around to recognizing these cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sisler is a very interesting player, a huge disparity between how he was traditionally viewed when I was younger and how he's viewed through the lens of more modern metrics. Great information anyhow on the nuances of some of the issues.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sisler is a very interesting player, a huge disparity between how he was traditionally viewed when I was younger and how he's viewed through the lens of more modern metrics. Great information anyhow on the nuances of some of the issues.

For those of us who haven't kept up to date on George Sisler...

Just curious about your statement, Peter... Was Sisler viewed as a better player years ago, or is he viewed in higher regard nowadays? I wasn't (and am still not) sure how to interpret the "huge disparity" aspect.

Thanks!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

For those of us who haven't kept up to date on George Sisler...

Just curious about your statement, Peter... Was Sisler viewed as a better player years ago, or is he viewed in higher regard nowadays? I wasn't (and am still not) sure how to interpret the "huge disparity" aspect.

Thanks!

He took a huge hit starting with Bill James who called him, I think, the most overrated player ever and did not rank him in his top 100 as of 1998 I think it was. His Baseball Reference JAWS number rates him as only the 19th best 1B ever, despite the .340 BA.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He took a huge hit starting with Bill James

I read the whole comment, but I wanted to stop here...

[nolemmings]

I can't believe Peter is lending support (at least implicitly) to an article critical of a fellow Wolverine. Truly a sad day.

[Yoda]

I think the consignor must have insisted on an opening bid of $2k on the PSA1 John Ward (in full dress) OJ. There were no bids and LOTG and the consignor both lose out. I believe that is a $750 card. Shame.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I can't believe Peter is lending support (at least implicitly) to an article critical of a fellow Wolverine. Truly a sad day.

He's still up there with Gehringer and Barry Larkin.