Wagner Auction

[Tao_Moko]

Have we talked about this yet? Didn't see it on front page so here it is: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/rare-ho...152712789.html

Can't help but think these prices are not sustainable. I'm probably wrong though.

[Rhotchkiss]

While I agree many (perhaps most) of the prices recently realized by cards are inflated and/or unsustainable, I do not believe that is the case with the t206 wagner. This card is so rare, iconic, and desirable that each new sale establishes a new comp that will serve as the low water mark/floor for the next sale. In other words, the t206 wagner will not, ever go down.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

While I agree many (perhaps most) of the prices recently realized by cards are inflated and/or unsustainable, I do not believe that is the case with the t206 wagner. This card is so rare, iconic, and desirable that each new sale establishes a new comp that will serve as the low water mark/floor for the next sale. In other words, the t206 wagner will not, ever go down.

I agree with all of this.

While other “less iconic” stuff could see a decrease, this isn’t that.

[111gecko]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

While I agree many (perhaps most) of the prices recently realized by cards are inflated and/or unsustainable, I do not believe that is the case with the t206 wagner. This card is so rare, iconic, and desirable that each new sale establishes a new comp that will serve as the low water mark/floor for the next sale. In other words, the t206 wagner will not, ever go down.

Agreed. This card will always increase in value. Let's be honest..it will only be purchased by people that have ridiculous disposable income. And for that type of buyer, a few hundred grand more won't stop a sale. It is widely known; even by people not in the hobby. Articles continue and new buyers with money will always look to buy them if available. There are only 80??? I feel buyers that aren't even sports fans buying one just for the "prestige of owning one. From what I can see..it's reaching a point where the people that own them could care less about the money, they just want to own one. I think it's great for the hobby and congrats to anyone that owns one..

[investinrookies]

I get this card is the symbol of the hobby and "iconic" like no other card. That being said, I dont get why some other rare cards of wagner aren't worth more than they are currently. The 1914 Cracker Jack would be one that comes to mind, nearly as rare as the T206 and from an iconic set.

[Tyruscobb]

I don’t take issue with any T-206 Wagner selling for over $1M. It is the granddaddy of them all, and checks all the boxes: (1) legendary player; (2) legendary card set; & (3) legendary story behind scarcity (plus 110 + years of organic scarcity).

It blows my mind that any modern card would approach, let alone blow past, even a poorly graded Wagner. Think about this - A person could almost own three poorly graded Wagner’s for the cost of that Trout card! Only in 2020 is that Trout card worth almost three Wagner graded one cards.

[oldeboo]

I've always found it interesting, but not surprising, how articles like this use the word rare in reference to the Wagner T206. I believe they said some form of rare 6 times in a very short article. There is zero doubt about the iconic nature of this card, the rarity of it in analyzing the T206 set as a whole, the stories, the supply vs. demand, etc. However, as someone that appreciates type cards, there are Wagner cards that are much more rare than his T206 card. Certainly believe the T206 card will only continue to rise in prices though.

Aunt Suzie would probably know what a Honus Wagner T206 is, surely not a Honus Wagner E105 Mello-Mint Throwing.

[Dpeck100]

This card isn’t going down.

This is a status symbol and that is only going to continue to attract more interest and higher prices.

It’s a proven winner.

[oldjudge]

If the size of the collector base increases it may continue to appreciate. If the reverse happens it can go down in price. It's not a rare card, it is just scarcer than most T206s. If you want to see rare look at the 19thcentury. With 60-80 copies the Wagner is scarce at best.

[Orioles1954]

It’s not even the rarest Wagner “T” card. It’s a status symbol piece for the rich that transcends the hobby

[Tao_Moko]

Like I said, I'm "probably wrong" but $1.4 for a card missing a corner and creases through the face? It's getting to the point that you could buy an actual work of art by a master(1/1) for a similar amount. I think we forget that this is print advertising and not "rare". It literally was printed , cut from a sheet and distributed in a pack of smokes.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

I've always found it interesting, but not surprising, how articles like this use the word rare in reference to the Wagner T206. I believe they said some form of rare 6 times in a very short article. There is zero doubt about the iconic nature of this card, the rarity of it in analyzing the T206 set as a whole, the stories, the supply vs. demand, etc. However, as someone that appreciates type cards, there are Wagner cards that are much more rare than his T206 card. Certainly believe the T206 card will only continue to rise in prices though.

Aunt Suzie would probably know what a Honus Wagner T206 is, surely not a Honus Wagner E105 Mello-Mint Throwing.

I get what you're saying but it's not the rarity per se, but the rarity in comparison to almost every other T206 which is the most popular pre-war set (with apologies to 1933 Goudey) If there are 5000 of the average T206 (a number I'm pulling out of my... um out of thin air) and there are 67 Wagners (which I think is the real number) the population of Wagners is 1.3% of that of every other card.

Yes the MelloMint is rarer, but every Mello Mint is rare. The comparitive population of Wagners to others in that set is likely to be over 100% as there's a greater chance a super star like Wagner got saved as opposed to a common.

Also, the collector base Mello is infinitesimal in comparison to the base for a T206. As a percentage that compared supply and demand the T206 Wagner is, in essence, rarer than the Mello Mint.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I get what you're saying but it's not the rarity per se, but the rarity in comparison to almost every other T206 which is the most popular pre-war set (with apologies to 1933 Goudey) If there are 5000 of the average T206 (a number I'm pulling out of my... um out of thin air) and there are 67 Wagners (which I think is the real number) the population of Wagners is 1.3% of that of every other card.

Yes the MelloMint is rarer, but every Mello Mint is rare. The comparitive population of Wagners to others in that set is likely to be over 100% as there's a greater chance a super star like Wagner got saved as opposed to a common.

Also, the collector base Mello is infinitesimal in comparison to the base for a T206. As a percentage that compared supply and demand the T206 Wagner is, in essence, rarer than the Mello Mint.

Here is an old thread that discusses other Wagner cards during his career that are probably rarer than his T206 card:

https://net54baseball.com/showthread...ghlight=wagner

Brian

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Can't help but think these prices are not sustainable. I'm probably wrong though.

The card has a 90 year history of only increasing in value. Only 57 known copies. There are far more people who want one. To buy one you are going to have to pay more than the last one sold for or the owner will hold on. The higher they sell for, the stronger hands hold them. Wagner is the safest buy for those with the financial means to do so. Much better place to have your money than Trout or Giannis.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by rats60

The card has a 90 year history of only increasing in value. Only 57 known copies. There are far more people who want one. To buy one you are going to have to pay more than the last one sold for or the owner will hold on. The higher they sell for, the stronger hands hold them. Wagner is the safest buy for those with the financial means to do so. Much better place to have your money than Trout or Giannis.

I totally agree. I would even go so far as to say that no Trout card should ever sell for more than any T-206 Wagner. I would argue that the Trout card isn’t even as rare.

There are approximately 60 T-206 Wagner cards. That is it. However, there are approximately 1,956 2009 Bowman autographed Trout rookie. All these cards have the same image and the same autograph. The only difference between them are the border colors and some are numbered. That’s it.

There are approximately: 1,000 base/regular autographed cards that are unnumbered, 500 numbered chrome cards, 225 x-factor cards, 150 blue bordered cards, 50 gold bordered cards, 25 orange bordered cards, 5 red bordered cards, and 1 superfractor.

1,956 cards versus approximately 60 cards. I’ll take any Wagner over that silly superfractor that is no different than the other 1,955 Trout cards other than the silly different color border and the 1/1 stamped on the back.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I totally agree. I would even go so far as to say that no Trout card should ever sell for more than any T-206 Wagner. I would argue that the Trout card isn’t even as rare.

There are approximately 60 T-206 Wagner cards. That is it. However, there are approximately 1,956 2009 Bowman autographed Trout rookie. All these cards have the same image and the same autograph. The only difference between them are the border colors and some are numbered. That’s it.

There are approximately: 1,000 base/regular autographed cards that are unnumbered, 500 numbered chrome cards, 225 x-factor cards, 150 blue bordered cards, 50 gold bordered cards, 25 orange bordered cards, 5 red bordered cards, and 1 superfractor.

1,956 cards versus approximately 60 cards. I’ll take any Wagner over that silly superfractor that is no different than the other 1,955 Trout cards other than the silly different color border and the 1/1 stamped on the back.

Going from that, T213-2, 214, 215 are pretty much the same set, just different backs. So commons should be the same as any regular T213-2...

And similarly for T206 Drum, Uzit, Broadleaf.... Any common should just be maybe $100 if it's pretty nice, less if it's worn.

I could go for that, at least until I get a few...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Have we talked about this yet? Didn't see it on front page so here it is: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/rare-ho...152712789.html

Can't help but think these prices are not sustainable. I'm probably wrong though.

There was a person in the BST section that said they recently bought one. Does anyone know if this was that one?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ryan did not buy his to flip it if that's who you mean.