Show us your "unique" (1 of 1) T206 cards.

[irishdenny]

I Humbly Present, Mr. Hoffman ~ Along wit a Side of Mr. Bender!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

I Humbly Present, Mr. Hoffman ~ Along wit a Side of Mr. Bender!

Denny, are you sure it's Bender and not Groom?
Groom.jpg

[tedzan]

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.





TED Z
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[irishdenny]

WeLL Pat...
Thankz fir CalliN me Out!

iN My Haste, I Surly Misspoke ~
Ahhh Howevar, we're Both abit off!

He's actually Mr. Myers...
And I JuST Remembered da Wrong "Chief"

"I Really meant it WHeN i felt humble..."

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.





TED Z.

Greetings Ted!,

Yours Looks Like a Re~Do iS iN Order!
Maybe SumDay Aye!?!?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.

I hope this information "de-confuses" you.






TED Z
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If he did have the Herzog crossed over to PSA it should have received a MC qualifier. PSA assigns a MC to a card that has any part of the name or team
cut off.
Herzog MC.jpgLake MC.jpg

[tedzan]

David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded.

So, I'm not sure what you are implying ?

It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment.


Post #31

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.




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TED Z
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Here's my "unique" T206 Cobb Red Portrait with severe diamond cut and WST. Not sure how rare this is but it certainly isn't run of the mill.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded.

So, I'm not sure what you are implying ?

It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment.


Post #31

Ted, I wasn't questioning your statement perhaps the wording in my post
wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable
grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of
the name and team cut off.
1909-1911-t206-buck-herzog-boston-uzit-back-only-example.jpg
Herzog MC.jpg
Lake MC.jpg

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

WeLL Pat...
Thankz fir CalliN me Out!

iN My Haste, I Surly Misspoke ~
Ahhh Howevar, we're Both abit off!

He's actually Mr. Myers...
And I JuST Remembered da Wrong "Chief"

"I Really meant it WHeN i felt humble..."

Whoa... I'm not sure I've ever seen a "confirmed" strip of 3 T206 card fronts before! Blackburne, Myers, Hoffman! Whoa

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted, I wasn't questioning your statement perhaps the wording in my post
wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable
grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of
the name and team cut off.

Pat

You may be correct in that observation.

I'm not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times it can be quite arbitrary. For example,
I refer to the AB 460 Jennings card which I posted. First graded "Authentic", subsequently graded SGC 60.
Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially).







TED Z
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[MVSNYC]

Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.

Hi Mike

Absolutely yes !

Hey guy....how's the snow storm in NYC today ?


TED Z
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[Vegas-guy]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.





TED Z
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Here's the other SGC 60 that I used to own. Sold to a fellow board member in '14

[David R]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Back long before grading companies broke out different T206 tobacco company reverses, and because I no longer have the card, so no scan possible, I held a PSA 7 Griffith batting with a Drum reverse, so sweet it breaks my heart to even think about it. For all I know, David Hall has it in his private vault.

I have the Drum Griffith card but only a PSA 2

[tedzan]

This T206 was ungraded for a long time; and, during that period it was unique. In recent years I had it graded.
But, it's no longer 1 of 1. Now there is another Elberfeld / DRUM graded (PSA 3).


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TED Z
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[tedzan]

While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ?


A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series.

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TED Z
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[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by tedzan

While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ?


A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series.

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TED Z
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Outstanding ABCDs Ted!

[tedzan]

Thanks, Eric


A Net54 "reader" emailed me regarding SGC's Pop report indicating a Frank Delehanty DRUM card listed SGC A. I informed him that I think that is my card.
Circa 2007, I acquired this Delehanty. It was in an SGC A plastic. And, I cracked it out of the plastic and placed it in high quality mylar.

My experience in tracking DRUM cards indicates that quite a number of the T206 Minor Leaguers from the 350-only series appear to be 1 of 1 cards. So, it
would not surprise me if another Frank Delehanty / DRUM never shows up.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ty_cobb

I'm not sure what I have left of 1 of 1s? But I must have had a few at one time as I had many Red Hindus,,,, my favorite one of one is the T206 Eddie Collins batting though,

Originally Posted by sreader3

My favorite of all time. I would rather have that than the Wagner any day.

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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No way over a Wagner or a Cobb/Cobb back....Please...

[PhillipAbbott79]

I suppose in theory you can always locate and purchase another Wagner if you had enough funds.

There are only a few cosmological events that could occur for you to get a shot at the Collins proof.

[sycks22]

Scraperton

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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Hi Ted,

Your theories are as good (probably better) than mine about the great enigma Collins (With Bat) proof. I tend to think that American Tobacco didn't get his written authorization back by the deadline in winter/spring 1909 and, since he was an emerging star and a Columbia grad (i.e. a smart guy), decided to remove him from printing. Maybe he even explicitly objected or threatened them with a lawsuit -- can you imagine if he did that and someone produced the letter 108 years later? Now that would be big!

I have no strong evidence that delayed (or lack of) authorization was the reason Collins (With Bat) wasn't printed. But consider the portraits in the 350-only series. The Hall of Famers are basically Eddie Collins, minor leaguers (Beckley and Jimmy Collins) and Rube Marquard (who didn't emerge as a star until 1911). Makes no sense that Eddie Collins would be printed as a 350-only portrait unless there was some sort of unusual delay. My best guess is that Collins (With Bat) and Collins (Portrait, Philadelphia) were both supposed to be 150/350 releases, but ATC was forced to delay and mothballed the With Bat version entirely.

Scot

EDITED TO ADD: For those who are unaware, the American Tobacco Company sought written permission from the players who it wished to include in the set we now (thanks to Jefferson Burdick) call T206:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_96.html

[ty_cobb]

I do remember the T206 Collins Proof was found at the same time as 8 or so Southern Leaguers (also un-issued). He was the only major league player. I don't have a better explanation for it not appearing , perhaps the permission letter theory is as good as any. I believe R.L. bought the card for the princely sum of $18,, oh how the times have changed,,,

[MVSNYC]

What we have to remember, proofs were not only made to make sure colors and registration were correct, but furthermore, it was a final approval stage for production. Just a thought here, there might've been a bunch of designs that were scraped because they weren't visually appealing. Not saying the Collins is ugly, but the pose and his stance are a little awkward, IMO. Not a card I'd take over a Wagner.