Which Would You Rather Have?

[4815162342]

Which Would You Rather Have?

1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore PSA 10
Winning Bid: $12,655.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400916654862


- OR -

1916 Indianapolis Brewing Joe Jackson PSA 4
Winning Bid: $12,547.50
http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...a/7135-80968.s


Feel free to answer and post your own "which would you rather have?"

[Econteachert205]

I'd rather have the cash, but the choice is obvious of course jackson.

[4815162342]

Another question might be: Which one is worth more outside the holder?

[Bigb13]

Shoeless Joe any day!

[7nohitter]

Jackson, no brainer!

[MattyC]

That very type of comparison changed my entire collecting philosophy years ago, shortly after I began. It's a very powerful comparison.

[iwantitiwinit]

Utterly ridiculous

[Sean]

Of course on a prewar board we'll all pick the Jackson (me too). I'm not saying were wrong, I just wonder what the opinion would be on a modern card board.

And also, what is the argument in favor of the Moore card. Is it just two guys who have to have the highest graded set driving the price up?

[rats60]

This is clearly an example of people buying the holder and not the card. I don't see how that is a "10."

[insccollectibles]

Why did the Johnny Moore sell for so much? I see other examples online for much cheaper?

[barrysloate]

I don't even know who Johnny Moore is, and I follow NBA basketball. Why did somebody pay so much for it? I don't think he was a star.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I don't even know who Johnny Moore is, and I follow NBA basketball. Why did somebody pay so much for it? I don't think he was a star.

He's a U. of Texas ex.

Being a U. of Texas ex myself, I'd go for the ..... Jackson. Duh!

[JoeyFarino]

Maybe Johnny Moore bought the Johnny Moore card..lol

[burdell]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

He's a U. of Texas ex.

Being a U. of Texas ex myself, I'd go for the ..... Jackson. Duh!

I'm a Texas EX also. But this is a dumb question. Jackson ALL day long!!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I don't even know who Johnny Moore is, and I follow NBA basketball. Why did somebody pay so much for it? I don't think he was a star.

He is a guy with a card that will get some fortunate collector 1 point higher on a registry.

[TanksAndSpartans]

Originally Posted by Leon

He is a guy with a card that will get some fortunate collector 1 point higher on a registry.

Or more depending how the card is weighted

I actually looked him up, not knowing anything about basketball and the Spurs retired his number, but I agree, doubt the collector was motivated by anything but the registry.

[Luke]

While this is completely ridiculous, I doubt the person who paid that much for the Moore has to worry about buying "this or that". He probably can buy this, and that.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by rats60

This is clearly an example of people buying the holder and not the card. I don't see how that is a "10."

It's also an example of some damn fool having more money than brains (a situation not necessarily abhorrent to me--I'd be willing to try it out, for a change)!

May your collecting be one of the greatest treasures of your life!

Larry

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

It's also an example of some damn fool having more money than brains (a situation not necessarily abhorrent to me--I'd be willing to try it out, for a change)!

May your collecting be one of the greatest treasures of your life!

Larry

We all collect in different ways. And that is probably a good thing!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

I love the underbidders in PWCC.




Bidder Information
Bidder: 0***n( 448Feedback score is 100 to 499)
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Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1264
Items bid on: 113
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 46% Help
Bid retractions: 3
Bid retractions (6 months): 7






Bidder Information
Bidder: r***o( 515Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 2

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 75
Items bid on: 50
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 49% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 3

[brewcrewfan77]

The Jackson of course. Without the holder the Moore is something you stick in your bike spokes.

[brianp-beme]

The Jackson because it was $108 cheaper, and I love a good bargain.

Brian

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I love the underbidders in PWCC.

Bidder Information
Bidder: 0***n( 448Feedback score is 100 to 499)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1264
Items bid on: 113
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 46% Help
Bid retractions: 3
Bid retractions (6 months): 7

Bidder Information
Bidder: r***o( 515Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 2

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 75
Items bid on: 50
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 49% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 3

If it's a PWCC auction there's a high probability the Moore didn't actually sell for that insane amount.

[Cozumeleno]

The Moore price seems high, even though it is a pretty rare card. But this article from several years ago says it actually may be the toughest high-grade card in that set.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...n-just-jordan/

PSA says there are 27 such cards and their SMR values it at $8,500.

I don't collect newer cards anymore, so if you gave me either card to keep in my collection where I couldn't sell it, I'd take a Jackson graded 1 over that card. But the Moore is pretty desired to basketball collectors.

[clydepepper]

Moore's story is a compelling one ( as is Jackson's )

http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-3...ular-headaches

Doesn't answer why 12K though... maybe a hardcore Spurs fan with deep pockets.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I love the underbidders in PWCC.




Bidder Information
Bidder: 0***n( 448Feedback score is 100 to 499)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1264
Items bid on: 113
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 46% Help
Bid retractions: 3
Bid retractions (6 months): 7






Bidder Information
Bidder: r***o( 515Feedback score is 500 to 999)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
1986 Fleer Basketball Johnny Moore #76 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 2

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 75
Items bid on: 50
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 49% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 3

On topic, I take Joe Jax

Slightly off topic, this is my favorite recent underbider's history... And all the more reason why a last second snipe is still king. I bid at 1-2 sec left, got the item for about $150-$200 under my max, and this chump had no window to creep up the price at the end.




Bidder Information
Bidder: o***a( 3368)
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Item description: 1953 Topps #220 Satchel Paige HOF Browns SGC AUTHENTIC Deceased 1982
Bids on this item: 14

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 4480
Items bid on: 1572
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 16%
Bid retractions: 134
Bid retractions (6 months): 457

[midwaylandscaping]

Based on registry and nothing else IMO
I could think of numerous ways I would spend $12K before the name "Johnny Moore" would enter into my thoughts

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by midwaylandscaping

Based on registry and nothing else IMO
I could think of numerous ways I would spend $12K before the name "Johnny Moore" would enter into my thoughts

"Numerous?" Billions!!!

Best to all,

Larry

[Jeff_cvc]

Who in the hell is Johnny Moore!?!? I'd rather have a t207 Earl Moore, i'd even take a mint Donnie Moore over this card.

[Steve D]

Just further proof that TRIAPD.

According to the PSA population report, they've certified only 28 Johnny Moore cards as 10s. It is by far, the toughest card in the set to get in PSA 10. Only 23 cards in the set have been submitted in higher numbers than the Moore (there are 132 cards in the set). Only 15 other cards have 50 or fewer PSA 10s, with the fewest number of 10s for any of them being 41.

There are currently 9 complete PSA 10 sets on the PSA registry, with 3 (and possibly 4) other near-complete sets with all PSA 10s, including the Moore. That would leave no more than 15 or 16 Johnny Moore's for everyone else to fight over).

After saying all that though, I'd still rather have a Michael Jordan card from the set (there are 208 PSA 10s of it). Or, I could use the money to buy a 1951 Bowman Willie Mays, 1954 Bowman Ted Williams, T227 Ty Cobb, 1939 Playball Ted Williams, N172 Mike Kelly...............

Steve

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

On topic, I take Joe Jax

Slightly off topic, this is my favorite recent underbider's history... And all the more reason why a last second snipe is still king. I bid at 1-2 sec left, got the item for about $150-$200 under my max, and this chump had no window to creep up the price at the end.




Bidder Information
Bidder: o***a( 3368)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: 1953 Topps #220 Satchel Paige HOF Browns SGC AUTHENTIC Deceased 1982
Bids on this item: 14

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 4480
Items bid on: 1572
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 16%
Bid retractions: 134
Bid retractions (6 months): 457

[Rob D.]

He must also dabble in ice cream collectibles.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

He must also dabble in ice cream collectibles.

Obviously an inside reference, link?

[CobbvLajoie1910]

Originally Posted by rob d.

he must also dabble in ice cream collectibles.

lol.

[EvilKing00]

Say it aint so joe

[mark evans]

Joe Jackson, although I would probably hold out for a Cracker Jack instead.

I will never understand the tremendous disparity in values among highly-graded cards. Differences are negligible, in my view, and, even worse, subjective and thus inconsistent.

[Eric72]

As an aside, the centering of that 1986 Fleer common is not worthy of being graded a perfect 10 out of 10.

While BGS holdered cards do not sell for as much as PSA cards, their sub-grades make sense to me. Within their guidelines, this card would not have gotten a, "perfect" grade. It would merely be mint.

I could go on and on; however, would be belaboring the point.

Best regards,

Eric

[4815162342]

Which Would You Rather Have?

1985 O-Pee-Chee Mario Lemieux PSA 10
Winning Bid: $10,988.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400936776275


- OR -

1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 Joe Jackson SGC 30
Winning Bid: $11,042.40
http://www.goodwinandco.com/1909_11_...-LOT30282.aspx

[ls7plus]

I can at least understand the Lemieux, but doubt he'll have the lasting value of Jackson, who doesn't even have to be a HOF'er to be an icon (he is one of 8 or so players who created 200% or greater of the number of runs a league average player of the same era would create--a Bill James stat that I personally favor as the best yardstick of comparing players across eras. I've always considered the demand for ultra high grade cards as something almost artificial in character.The collectors of such cards deceive themselves into thinking what they have is rare and significant, and therefore actually represents value. From my perspective, while there is a vast difference in price between a gem mint "10" and a very nice "8," the substantive difference between the two is really quite small, although not completely insignificant. What the "10" collector is really paying for is the plastic slab and the paper grading slip inside. It's not too different from buying smoke and hype, instead of substance. And while I understand the demand created by the PSA registry, I have seen many, many of these high-grade set collections first assembled and then shortly thereafter broken up, which leads one to question the lasting significance of both the individual high-graded commons that comprise the set, and the set itself. I would therefore question whether there is lasting value in such condition rarities, where there is an ample supply of the same card in only slightly lower condition.

Just my thoughts,

Larry