EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL

[baez578]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

ok. so to sum up

bubblebathgirl is really a boy, but the picture was great.

the price is ridiculous and you demand answers to the duality slash two facedness of this person and his offereings which he is not responding to. this is where things started tumbling out of control?

the price is to high for a potential scammer because they are asking 25k, ultimately removing all profit from resealing the cards and trying to get tons of money from it with low cost to purchase the wrappers. higher costs mean less profits.

someone posted things that made someone else angry then they got banned because the "someone else" lost control of their own emotions....and the person who lost control of their emotions blames the fact that they lost control of their emotions and got banned on a person "pushing" them over the edge. this edge was caused by not getting answers to a question you feel he needs to answer? meaning...the duality of how he said something was over priced he was trying to buy it and how he jacked it up when he was trying to sell it? did i get that correct?

you don't see ANY pontential for collectibility in the wrapper and gum and subsequently want the person to permanantly mark and destroy the originality of the item so that they can serve some higher moral needs? these needs are not his, they are yours. some how this was agreed upon by everyone other than the person who owns the items and everyone is mad that he won't do it?
kevin

Your summary is off...

You're drawing conclusions based on isolated incidents when the issue is not isolated. I provided only two examples because I think it would be enough to make my point. My posts are large enough so that's why I consolidated as best I could.

Mods are tough on CU and many that were banned didn't say anything out of line in the eyes of most. To boot, I would've been banned for this thread and do I seem "out of line" to you right now?

Regarding last paragraph, if you go to the link to the CU thread on page one, you would notice that he felt the same way about wrappers being sold on the market. To boot, he started the thread asking what do to with them...thus asking for our opinion. So they were, at the time, his needs as well...and continued to be until another member found his eBay auctions which is when the silent treatment and barrage of questions began.


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[D.P.Johnson]

When people's actions differ from their morals, they begin to rationalize both to protect themselves from a painful contradiction and to build up protection against accusations.

The bigger the dissonance, the larger the rationalization, and the longer it lasts, the less immoral it seems.

[lahmejoon]

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[4815162342]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

When people's actions differ from their morals, they begin to rationalize both to protect themselves from a painful contradiction and to build up protection against accusations.

The bigger the dissonance, the larger the rationalization, and the longer it lasts, the less immoral it seems.

Another observation: the newer the board member, the longer, more complicated, and more frequent their posts.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Another observation: the newer the board member, the longer, more complicated, and more frequent their posts.

Noted. I'll try and keep my posts less complicated for the simpletons...

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Noted. I'll try and keep my posts less complicated for the simpletons...

That's the spirit. We simpletons appreciate it.

[flash300]

Dang it gum fell into the bubble bath now how am I going to reseal my box buying gum paying big bucks

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

So someone starts a thread entitled, EXPOSING Net54 member BUBBLEBATHGIRL and it ends up being about baseball cards? Bummer.

I did a search for some relevant photos but most of them would not pass the forum rules for posting. I hope this pic doesn't offend anyone and will satisfy the forum rules:

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Can someone...anyone...tell me what purpose 35 year old gum would have? Other than adding a false element of realism to a resealed pack, of course.

I have a piece of gum from 1971 OPC that I bought along with a wrapper sometime between 1978 and 83. I thought it was sort of cool that it had survived. Not as an unopened pack, but as a wrapper and gum. It's also really different than the Topps gum -Different size, and with lines scored across it so it could be broken into dentyne sized chunks.

Topps also had some different flavored gum in hockey cards in the mid 70's. I remember it from buying the packs and being surprised to see yellow gum. I think it was bananna flavored. If I found an opened pack that had it, I'd buy it just for the curiosity.

I don't really get the idea of marking the wrappers. Would it be acceptable to mark ANY other bit of memorabilia? Look in the Autograph section and see how little they like the stickers used by the authenticators. Or look at how disliked any form of grading/slabbing is by some here. And that doesn't even mark the cards. I have a small collection of wrappers, and I'd be looking for replacements for marked ones. Same goes for the empty display boxes.
A whole stack of old gum though.....Not sure I'd want that.

Steve B

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I disagree. It would be like me taking out an ad in the paper that says. "For Sale: Meth Ingredients." To sell the ingredients individually (or even together) is not illegal - kind of like the wrappers, gum and box. But what’s done with them is illegal. To sell wax wrappers, gum and an empty box knowing what somebody is more than likely to do with them is immoral, just like selling meth ingredients knowing what somebody is going to do with them. What if it were your kid that cooked the meth and OD? Would your opinion change? Would you still say it's my right to sell the ingredients and put the onus on your kid, or do you think I should share in the responsibility for selling your kid the ingredients in the first place?

Maybe it’s a bad analogy, but I think you get the point which is sometimes the seller has to assume some of the responsibility when they have a pretty good idea that what they’re selling is not going to be used for a purpose that is good.

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[timn1]

+1 to Steve B.'s comment. The analogy was bad from the beginning, and throwing hypothetical kids into the mix ("what if YOUR kid...?") was especially OTT.

Originally Posted by steve B

By that logic every pharmacy in the country should be shut down.

Here in Mass there are arrests every year of people buying cold medecine legitimately but going over the state determined limit of 2 packages a month. Big family, cold lasts a couple weeks among 6 people. plus maybe buying a pack for a relative. All the pharmacies are linked now and call the police for an attempt to buy package 3 in a 30 day period. Somehow there's still plenty of supply for whoever is making the stuff.

Steve B

[Cobra Kai]

Well said Baez!! Paul got me a nice 2 week vacation on the CU Board for pointing out that he sells empty wax packs with the original gum & questioning why anyone would pay $20K plus for the 79 case that he is trying to sell. Definitely not a fan.

[Jcfowler6]

I think the gum would display nicely.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

I think the gum would display nicely.

Question is, do you use a one touch magnet, or a penny sleeve and a top loader? Or do you put the gum in a card saver?

[nolemmings]

It can display nicely actually. Here's some from 1933--looks mouthwatering, no?:

[dodgerfanjohn]

You know, lots of this issue stems from....

I got slammed when I first went on the CU board. I know its not the biggest thing here at Net54, but at CU, high grade psa cards and vintage unopened are huge. I posted that people reasonably should collect what they can afford. I followed up by stating that because of the irrationally frenzied environment, people were buying up stuff they really can't afford. While there are big boys in the market, theres not really as many as would be necessesary to push prices to where they are at the moment.

And really theres evidence of that everywhere.....from guys not being able to pay for their group rip purchases to scammers...even some of the more "respected" members there.

This BBG issue is just another manifestation. Maybe its just me, but if I could afford to rip a box thats $1K plus....its a straight luxury purchase for me and I sure as heck better be able to afford that cost without resorting to having to sell off items that basically screw with everyone else. I don't have definitive knowledge of BBG's finances, but if $150 or whatever means that much to him, perhaps shredding open expensive packs in a search for PSA 10's is not the best use of his resources.

One more thing...if this posting hits to close to home for anyone else, perhaps inner reflection is a better idea that writing a scathing post in response. Judging by the responses to this opinion posted on CU, I'm expecting the scathing responses, but while harsh, I don't think I posted anything untrue.

[travrosty]

i can see where the wrappers would be collectible, but not the gum, why include the gum in the auction?

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Just to play the devils advocate, and in all fairness, gum can be collectible.http://blog.justcollect.com/baseball...eball-wrapper/

Collectibility is in the eye of the collector. Dave