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Variants
Todd---neat card, Had not seen
Steve---your usual good take Darren---no one is wrong...or right on this stuff. Too each his own. But value still needs hobby recognition....for good or bad. Since I am just in it as a hobby, I just collect what appeals to me |
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Thanks Al. Those 4 Bolin cards with the bottom print line are not mine-- they all came from Ebay and can be yours. I just wondered what the opinions were about this anomoly vs. the green inside baseball. BTW, there were 105 Bolins in my search and only these 4 carried the stray line, so it seems like a decent sample size from which to conclude that the line is relatively scarce, I wonder what % the green inside baseball vs not is found for those '61s that share this "variation".
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Ummm...who used the words right and wrong in describing anything?????? I stated what the cards specifically were and left it at that, free of any judgments.
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Mis-spoke
Sorry-I posted I have the Santo with the green. I meant to say The Fairley. Sorry for the mistake. My Santo does not have the green.
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The Bolins are interesting examples.
The first one is a printing problem. Overinked, thin ink, or plate too dry or too wet, all have roughly the same result. Unless it's more severe or in a certain spot it's hard to tell. The ones with the line at the bottom are the sort of thing I collect. While someone else might not call it a variation, it's a difference on the black plate. The line may be either a cutting guideline, in which case there will be another card with the same line at the top, or it might be from the sheet edge and only show on miscut cards. Most of the time, there's another version of the card that even when off center by just as much won't have the line. I don't chase them all that actively though. And I generally don't pay a premium. Usually the cards are discounted as being poorly centered or otherwise defective Steve B |
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Todd--do not know % but the defect occurs in many 61 cards and is not scarce, maybe something similar to the Bolin %
Darren---you have my apologies , Dude. We share a common interest and I actually agree with you for the most part |
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Here is the correct, the miscut with a yellow bar, and a miscut with a white bar Here is a similar scenario with the Fairly card Here are definite unlisted variations, which depict a cropped image of Zimmer. Note the number of stripes on his uniform and the placement of the bat from the inset image on Zimmer's turtleneck and his elbows on the inset image. Wasn't this a thread about '61 Topps Greenies? How'd I end up in 1963? sorry 'bout that!
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I like this, well said Al.
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http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/1963_New_Variations.pdf |
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To each their own I guess.
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Yep, that's a text book example of "variations" if you ask me.
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I agree with Doug and Joe...boy that was hard to admit.
The Zimmer and other 63 double prints have front cropping differences and some of them have distinctive back differences as well. They are similar to the 52 double prints of Mantle, Thompson and Robinson, which were listed as variations in the last issue of SCD. But even if they are just variants, they are fun to look for on ebay. There is an on line article by George Vrechek that appeared in SCD that pictures and describes the differences in the 63 cards |
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Hey guys. I just went though my 5000 count 61s and I found these 5 with green in the baseball. I have a 3rd Turrley but it was a little faded.
Thoughts? Are these what yall are talking about? Also the Vic Powers has a water spot on the bottom left corner. It didnt cause the green in the ball, but thats why the bottom stats are faded. I found a Vic Powers with green. I had about 10 but this was the only one with green in it. Last edited by cobblove; 06-13-2013 at 04:51 PM. |
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If the Fairley is recognized by PSA as a true variation, and it commands a higher price, does PSA recognize the others? And then a higher price? I have the Fairley but have not looked at my entire set.
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Greens from 1961
I do not think they have recognized any others. Not sure if any have been submitted. The Fairly can be found with just a touch or green, or with the full bottom of the ball green. PSA seems to grade any of them as a variation. Dumb in my view, even though I have on with the full bottom green
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