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Old 12-15-2022, 04:57 AM
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Not sure what my pick would be, but I love exhibits and postcards. All Cobb RC postcards have shot up and one that went through the stratosphere would be the Gehrig Exhibits RC! So I wouldn’t dismiss those slightly bigger cards!

Even larger ones like cabinet cards can explode too: W600 Cobb!
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Old 12-15-2022, 05:02 AM
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I’ve always liked rare stuff. Some people may think only more common/iconic/mainstream type cards are the way to go. However with rare stuff , regardless of size, it doesn’t take nearly as much demand increase to move the needle in a big way price wise! It will be interesting to see where any future sales of a card like the 1914 BN Ruth go if any surface for sale!
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
Well, not necessarily broad appeal but increased appeal; something has to make the demand go up.

I doubt it will be something esoteric like rare backs or ink spill variations. Zero chance it is some vintage ATG being re-evaluated by future collectors.

It could be something societal I suppose, akin to the recent rise of the Black pioneers resulting from the recognition of Jackie Robinson's accomplishments and the Negro Leagues as a whole. Maybe with Senga and Yoshida coming into the league, there will be a surge in interest in Japanese players and the 65T Murakami rookie will take off.
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Well, not necessarily broad appeal but increased appeal; something has to make the demand go up.

I doubt it will be something esoteric like rare backs or ink spill variations. Zero chance it is some vintage ATG being re-evaluated by future collectors.

It could be something societal I suppose, akin to the recent rise of the Black pioneers resulting from the recognition of Jackie Robinson's accomplishments and the Negro Leagues as a whole. Maybe with Senga and Yoshida coming into the league, there will be a surge in interest in Japanese players and the 65T Murakami rookie will take off.
I think you could be right. Unlike the Negro Leagues, Japanese baseball has a long tradition of card production/collecting. There is enough of it out there to be able to reach the broader collecting community, and an argument could be made that the JPBL is just as deserving as the Negro League to be integrated into the MLB history books. Oh cards have skyrocketed the last few years, and it’s only matter of time before other JPBL greats follow suit. Throw a stud like Ohtani into the mix for exposure, and it makes a compelling case, IMO.
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Old 08-07-2023, 02:41 PM
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When I saw the title of this thread I wondered what we all would have said to this question in 2013.

My gut reaction is that in 10 years Pele and Messi cards might spike the most as trading cards could go more global, with a push from the US as more American investors look for the next big thing and recognize the global popularity of that sport and go for those guys. I singled out Pele and Messi because they're pretty much the only soccer players I can name, and that counts for something, kind of like how in the past decade Ruth has spiked dramatically as more people got into this hobby, especially during COVID, and then with bets on this being a safer investment than the market (or at least a good way to diversify your holdings).

If we limit this to baseball cards then, like many others have said, I feel all things Jackie Robinson should spike, with lots of room for growth on his Bond Breads, Leafs, Bowmans and his 1952 Topps. I think the latter will go up the most since "1952 Topps" has that association to the famed 1952 Mantle that T206 as a whole has to the T206 Wagner. Jackie's got a historical significance where he's well-known outside of baseball, too.

Then again (returning to my opening sentence) I started collecting vintage around 2010, took a break in 2015 when my first kid was born, relapsed for a bit in 2016, then took a break in 2017 when my second kid was born and came back to the hobby early last year. In 2013 I would have looked at the price of cards for pre-war HOFers and thought they were close to maxed out and it was time for Aaron, Mays, Robinson and Williams to go nuts. Instead it has been the old, top-tier HOFers who spiked the most. Ruth, Young, Johnson, Cobb, Wagner.

So I'll say in the end it's Boston-era Ruth cards, his Baltimore minor league cards (good luck finding or affording one) and stuff from Messi and Pele that was produced before COVID. I could be horribly wrong!
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
The 25 Gehrig and 21 Ruth Exhibits have had astonishing growth, despite the lack of a "broad" appeal.
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Old 12-15-2022, 10:46 AM
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
I do not agree with this. Lots of oversized cards have gone us significantly in the last decade, such W600 Cobb, Wagner and Matty, all sorts of Cobb postcards, 1921 Exhibit Ruth, 1925 Exhibit Gehrig, etc.
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What single card will increase the most.

If we are talking about sheer numbers of dollars increase, then a very expensive card stands the best chance to increase the most. A T206 Wagner or '52 Mantle will increase more dollars than any $1-20.k current value card we might mention. Heck, a T206 Wagner may easily increase over a million dollars in 10 years. A Hank Aaron RC, or a T206 Cobb red, or a '33 Goudey Ruth will never increase a million dollars in 10 years.

Now if we talk % increase, then a lower value card might take the cake. I could see a semi-prominent $1.-10.k card perhaps doubling for a 100% increase. What specific card might that be? A lot of good choices have been presented so far.
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Zero chance that it will be something oversized like an exhibit or a postcard. Nothing wrong with collecting those, or anything else, but whatever it is, it has to have broad appeal. Those never will.
I was shocked to see how much Wheaties moved in the Pandemic hike. Lou Gehrig especially, but some of the other major names as well. Jimmie Foxx doubled in value, and Lou Gehrig tripled or quadrupled (based on my $100 auction purchase of Gehrig in 2019). Joe Dimaggio was somewhere in between. I'm wondering what their new prices will settle at.

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On another thread someone posted about the Polo Grounds set, and I added Tom Barker. Both those sets seem extremely affordable for top tier HOF.

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I think that the 1952 Bowman Mantle has the most potential to soar in price.
As the 1951 Bowman And 1952 Topps are out of reach for most collectors,this card is still reasonably priced.

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As the proud owner of a 1952 Bowman Mantle, I sure hope you're right!

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I think that the 1952 Bowman Mantle has the most potential to soar in price.
As the 1951 Bowman And 1952 Topps are out of reach for most collectors,this card is still reasonably priced.

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Jackie’s early cards continue to do better and better. Trends will continue especially with the scarcer issues like bond bread and the rookie portrait card.


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Since this is a baseball forum, I'll lead with a pre-war baseball card that would seem to have catch-up potential: 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams. For some reason, the Splendid Splinter has lagged other inner-circle immortals in recent years (e.g. Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Mantle, Mays, Aaron). The Williams rookie has a significantly lower pop (PSA ~1200 plus qualifiers) than the latter three rookies (Mays 51B 2000, Mantle 51B 2260, Aaron 54T 6267).

Looking more generally, top vintage soccer rookies seem relatively undervalued. Yes, Pele (all of his rookies, but especially the 1958 Alifabolaget) and Maradona have skyrocketed in recent years, and Messi and C Ronaldo are still playing and generate interest, but the next tier of greats haven't moved commensurately. Soccer pops are much lower than for other sports, and to state the obvious, it is the biggest sport in the world, so a pickup in demand could have outsize impact. Meanwhile, Messi mania is in full swing in the U.S., and a quick perusal on Ebay suggests that the top watched cards have roughly as many watchers as for other major sports.
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It'll be Ray Demmitt, Polar Bear back, in the white border tobacco series.


1952 Mantle's have a push on demand by those that saw him play, as I did once. He'll still be a star, an HOFer, but, to paraphrase an appeals court judge, he won't be the brightest star in the firmament.

Jackie Robinson will increase a bit more than normal cards... ditto for Ruth's, Mays', Wagner's, Johnson's, Young's, and Mathewsons.

So there are a LOT of T206 cards out there. Relatively new collectors of vintage cards gravitate towards T206s more so than the the other T cards, the caramel cards, and such. With more collectors, there'll be folks considering where to draw the line... 520, 518 (no Demmitt nor O'Hara), or some number closer to 500 where they're only going for one of the Cobb's, Johnson's, Mathewson's, and Young's. Or even down around 470, as they pass on those pesky Southern Leaguer's. But there'll be more folks after Demmitt and O'Hara. Are they equally rare? Who knows for certain? I think there was a time that folks thought that O'Hara was worth a few dollars more than Demmitt; but sometimes it seems otherwise. Maybe more NY Giants cards survived the years than the St Louis Browns cards (seems likely). I think it's Demmitt.
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Can't disagree with Demmitt or O'Hara. The beauty of the T206 is that there are enough to them to be attainable and too few to be easy. When I started, I just wanted one pose of every MLB player, then every card, then all poses of all MLB players, then the next thing you know I'm shelling out four figures for a ratty O'Hara and Demmitt.
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Since this is a baseball forum, I'll lead with a pre-war baseball card that would seem to have catch-up potential: 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams. For some reason, the Splendid Splinter has lagged other inner-circle immortals in recent years (e.g. Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Mantle, Mays, Aaron). The Williams rookie has a significantly lower pop (PSA ~1200 plus qualifiers) than the latter three rookies (Mays 51B 2000, Mantle 51B 2260, Aaron 54T 6267).
This has always perplexed me as well. Always thought it was strange that at the time I bought them several years ago, the 1939 Joe DiMaggio Play Ball in mid-grades sold for almost the same price as the Williams rookie.
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Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.
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Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.
Shhh, I only have 1 of the 3 versions crossed off my want list.
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Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.
With the exception of the 311, it doesn't seem to me anyone has really cared all that much about second year cards. It's funny I was looking at 56 Clementes the other day and my thought was they seemed to have come way up in price.
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