Disgraceful lier

[howard38]

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[springpin]

I think the two "unreadable" names may be Dave Cash (on top, going one way) and Ramon Hernandez (on bottom, going the other).

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by howard38

Why wouldn't Roberto Clemente have been included if the ball was stamped?

What if its a 73 ? I don't know if the year is right anyways.

[bobw]

It's a 1973 ball, Maxvill got traded to Pittsburgh in July 73

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by bobw

It's a 1973 ball, Maxvill got traded to Pittsburgh in July 73

GREAT Detective work. This explains no Clemente and does NOT explain the fake. I tried reporting it, but couldn't find a description that matched close enough for a reason.

I don't want someone getting gypped, damn.

[prewarsports]

Easiest formula and the closest thing to a SURE thing in Autograph collecting;

No ball manufacturer + Signatuers = Stamped Stadium Ball

End of story.

Rhys Yeakley

[RichardSimon]

100% facsimile ball.

[barrysloate]

One further thought: in order for him to have gotten this ball signed in person, he would have had to interact with each of the 26 different players. Wouldn't that have been incredibly difficult to do? How would a fan get every last player to be available and to cooperate?

[GrayGhost]

The man is just an out and out lier. I got listing not available. He prob had trouble already. HOPE SO. I know some items remain up, and I checked completed listings too. So, hopefully its gone gone gonnnnnnnnnnne

Scott Rob.erts

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

One further thought: in order for him to have gotten this ball signed in person, he would have had to interact with each of the 26 different players. Wouldn't that have been incredibly difficult to do? How would a fan get every last player to be available and to cooperate?

Barry, speaking to your question (and only your question), getting a ball signed by an entire team, esp. 40 years ago, wouldn't be all that tough.

Even during the 1980s, I would wait outside Fenway Park or at visiting teams' hotels and wait for the players to arrive at the park or leave from the hotel. Times were different, players were more accommodating to signing; I even had players sign a ball and hand it off to their waiting teammate to sign before they got in a cab. I have many balls from the mid 1980s signed by entire teams (25+ players) which I had done in person, so that part of the story is entirely plausible.

Scott

[barrysloate]

Thanks Scott. Today it would be very difficult. Didn't know the players were that accommodating back then.

[vegasangler]

This is my final post regarding this matter.

Scott - You are free to share your opinion regarding the balls authenticity to anyone you choose, but there is a fine line between an opinion and an assault on someone’s character (as well as interfering in a business transaction) and you have crossed the line. Just because you didn’t like the tone of my response gave you no right to interfere in a private transaction that you are not a party to. You not only defamed me personally, but you have contacted eBay and the winning bidder and it’s costing me money to have my attorney set the record straight. You need to be accountable for your actions or it becomes precedence for others to engage in such malicious and illicit behavior.

Barry Sloate: Unfortunately, I no longer can defend the authenticity of the ball in a court of public opinion since this has become a legal matter. I will say that although I appreciate your opinion, it’s just an opinion. It’s incredibly bold of you or anyone else to take such a staunch position in absence of establishing your credentials, examination of the ball, review of the facts, or interviews with any of the witnesses. Perhaps I could have done a better job of explaining that more clearly in the listing, but it doesn’t warrant Scott’s actions.

James Wymer: The fact that Scott interfered in a private business transaction that he wasn’t a party to is grounds for legal action regardless of the truth. Defamation and/or slander is a separate allegation.

I mean no disrespect to anyone’s opinion or expertise on this site. Blogs like this serve a useful purpose when participants perform in a responsible manner.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Thanks Scott. Today it would be very difficult. Didn't know the players were that accommodating back then.

I know with NHL teams, its not even that hard nowadays. I know several people who go to the airport or the team hotel here in Calgary and get numerous items like jerseys, 16x20's etc. signed by the entire team. When i was younger, in the 90's, i would go to the hotels and get autos as well. A couple hours before the game the players leave the hotel on a team bus and they usually always leave the hotel with one or two other teammates over 20-30 minutes, so it is quiet easy to get everyone on a team. I also have a friend on another site that lives in Miami and he gets entire NFL teams (or very close to the entire team) signed on full sized helmets almost everytime he goes to get autograph at the team Hotels.

Nowadays (and even back then) there are 'autograph hounds' they call them that will spend 14 hours a day getting autographs at Hotels, practices, airports, outside the stadium etc. I don't think its outside the realm of impossibility to have a team signed item from any league from a team in the last 40+ years or so.

[vegasangler]

Scott - Sharing your opinion is one thing, but making slanderous and defaming comments over the internet for the world to see by calling a reputable businessman a “disgraceful liar” and interfering with a private financial transaction that you are not a party to is going too far, inexcusable, and will not go unpunished. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. It doesn’t matter at this point what your opinion is. You simply cannot make slanderous and defaming public comments about anyone’s character with the intent to cause harm and that is exactly what you have done. If you knew as much about the law as you do the history of this baseball you would have known that. Let this be a lesson to you. See you in court.

P.S. Thanks to all of you that sent emails tipping me off to this post.

Jeff Fitz.gerald

[barrysloate]

vegasangler needs to put his name out or shouldn't be allowed to post.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

vegasangler needs to put his name out or shouldn't be allowed to post.

taken care of.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by vegasangler

Scott - Sharing your opinion is one thing, but making slanderous and defaming comments over the internet for the world to see by calling a reputable businessman a “disgraceful liar” and interfering with a private financial transaction that you are not a party to is going too far, inexcusable, and will not go unpunished. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. It doesn’t matter at this point what your opinion is. You simply cannot make slanderous and defaming public comments about anyone’s character with the intent to cause harm and that is exactly what you have done. If you knew as much about the law as you do the history of this baseball you would have known that. Let this be a lesson to you. See you in court.

P.S. Thanks to all of you that sent emails tipping me off to this post.

Jeff Fitz.gerald

Are you serious? I apologize. I don't want issues with court. I overreacted based on what you had sent me privately and such. You were VERY negative towards me on your reply. PLEASE I don't want any court issues, but the ball was an obvious stamp, and I got a bit uptight bout that.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Are you serious? I apologize. I don't want issues with court. I overreacted based on what you had sent me privately and such. You were VERY negative towards me on your reply. PLEASE I don't want any court issues, but the ball was an obvious stamp, and I got a bit uptight bout that.

Isn't this enough? The man apologized!!! Do you really need a pound of flesh for such a little offense?

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Are you serious? I apologize. I don't want issues with court. I overreacted based on what you had sent me privately and such. You were VERY negative towards me on your reply. PLEASE I don't want any court issues, but the ball was an obvious stamp, and I got a bit uptight bout that.

I wouldn't have appoligized, you did nothing wrong, don't let people walk all over you with this "im taking you to court crap".

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

I wouldn't have appoligized, you did nothing wrong, don't let people walk all over you with this "im taking you to court crap".

+1

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by vegasangler

Scott - Sharing your opinion is one thing, but making slanderous and defaming comments over the internet for the world to see by calling a reputable businessman a “disgraceful liar” and interfering with a private financial transaction that you are not a party to is going too far, inexcusable, and will not go unpunished. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. It doesn’t matter at this point what your opinion is. You simply cannot make slanderous and defaming public comments about anyone’s character with the intent to cause harm and that is exactly what you have done. If you knew as much about the law as you do the history of this baseball you would have known that. Let this be a lesson to you. See you in court.

P.S. Thanks to all of you that sent emails tipping me off to this post.

Jeff Fitz.gerald

Jeff - what is the history of that baseball? You got that ebay pictured ball signed? Seemingly that is what it stated originally in your ad but I only saw pictures and no real info about the ball.
Word of advice to you - your case is pretty flimsy considering the ball is a facsimile baseball. You really want to spend thousands of dollars to retain a lawyer over a facsimile printed ball that you said was real?? (if that is what you said, I did not see that wording in your ad)

[barrysloate]

As I stated in my earlier post, I would like to know how the seller got this signed in person. How did he get access to 26 different players? I'm sure that information would go a long way towards providing the necessary provenance collectors always want. Therefore, I have no doubt Jeff will tell us the story behind it.

[Wymers Auction]

Vegas if you knew the law you would know that it cannot be slander if he is telling the truth. Since the ball is a facsimile and not signed as you stated everything he said is the truth. Pretty clear cut.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by vegasangler

Scott - Sharing your opinion is one thing, but making slanderous and defaming comments over the internet for the world to see by calling a reputable businessman a “disgraceful liar” and interfering with a private financial transaction that you are not a party to is going too far, inexcusable, and will not go unpunished. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. It doesn’t matter at this point what your opinion is. You simply cannot make slanderous and defaming public comments about anyone’s character with the intent to cause harm and that is exactly what you have done. If you knew as much about the law as you do the history of this baseball you would have known that. Let this be a lesson to you. See you in court.

P.S. Thanks to all of you that sent emails tipping me off to this post.

Jeff Fitz.gerald

This guy is a douche..The ball is not real. case closed. Doubt we see this guy here again...Anxious to see if Ebay does anything about his misrepresentation.