What pre-war guy do you feel should be in the HOF....I'll start with Jake Daubert

[CMIZ5290]

Steve- spot on about joe wood...many hall of famers have said when he was on, he was virtually unhittable....

[esd10]

jake daubert was one of the greatest first baseman ever and a fine .303 lifetime batting average in a era of pitchers thats pretty good. his career was cut short bye his sudden death and forgotten bye the hof because everyone has passed on now that saw him play.

[bbcard1]

There are a few I could mention...most of which have been championed here. I have always liked Larry Doyle, Daubert, Donlin, etc. ...but realistically, there are probably those honored from that era who shouldn't be.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Dave- great point about hippo vaughn. Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why he did not have a t206 card?? Where's ted z when you need him!

Both James "Hippo" Vaughn's and Jake Daubert's Major League careers didn't get going until the Spring of 1910. Circa Spring/Summer of 1910, American Lithographic had already
completed the planning and/or design of the 46 cards in their last T206 Series (460 Subjects). Therefore, these two guys were not included.


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.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................... "Hippo" Vaughn


TED Z

[danmckee]

Riggs Stephenson

[Kenny Cole]

I like Jake Daubert too, but come on. The reason he isn't in the HOF has nothing to do with his career being cut short.

He was 40 when he died. If his career was cut short, it wasn't by much. How about we talk about the fact that he was a great fielding 1B, was a positive influence best as I can tell, won two batting championships, etc. If that doesn't get him in it ain't happening.

He was also heavily involved in attempts to unionize the players duriing the teens (along with guys like Zimmerman), which I suspect didn't help him with the establishment when he was initially eligible for the HOF. He was dead when the HOF started voting and that, plus what I suspect was a bit of backlash for his unionization efforts = few HOF votes at the time. Now, almost no one knows who he was.

While I would be pleasantly surprised if he were to be elected, I'm not holding my breath. He had no power and is now lumped in with guys like Stuffy McInnis, who was very similar to Daubert but who has received no love here. Maybe this year will be different, but I have historically thought that the veteran's committee has been oblivious to things that were important at the time but not so much now. Daubert's stats (now the important thing) were pretty good in most categories, but they weren't exceptional in any. I wouldn't have any heartburn if he was elected, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

[esd10]

lave cross one of the greatest players of his time