1921 Koesters Bread Cards

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[Nashvol]

As I understand it, there are 52 cards in the Koester D383 set, including the Giants and Yankees 1921 teams only. How difficult are these to obtain and what is the price range?

[kmac32]

Not overly common but can be found. Problem is authentication as they are basically the same as W575-1 cards. There also supposedly a sheet of 40 players that predates the individual cards. Cards were a poster put out by the E h Koester bread company. I have 2 cards that were from one of these posters that have a thicker card stock which SGC will not authenticate as Koester Bread or W575. Also cards that are confirmed Koester Bread by PSA will not be confirmed by SGC as such and are called W575-1 by SGC. There are some Koester bread cards currently on eBay which are way overpriced so I would be careful if buying. There are a few players that appear only in Koester bread that are not in W575.

[Brian Van Horn]

A lot of the cards are the same poses as the E121, but there are players-and coaches-who are in the Koester Bread who are not in the E121 set. These include:

Jesse Barnes
Joe Berry
Eddie Brown
Jesse Burkett
Bill Cunningham
Alex Ferguson
Chicken Hawks
Fred Hoffman
Johnny Mitchell
Charles O'Leary (some argument whether or not O'Leary is in the E121 set).
Bill Piercy
Braggo Roth
Casey Stengel (forgot. Thank You, Leon.)

The cards are not easy to come by and prices vary, but the hardest cards are Burkett and O'Leary. A lot of examples from the set are trimmed.




Here is a link to the checklist:

http://www.oldbaseball.com/MegaCheck...ries&year=1921

[Leon]

Stengel is only in D383 too, I believe.

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

A lot of the cards are the same poses as the E121, but there are players-and coaches-who are in the Koester Bread who are not in the E121 set. These include:

Jesse Barnes
Joe Berry
Eddie Brown
Jesse Burkett
Bill Cunningham
Alex Ferguson
Chicken Hawks
Fred Hoffman
Johnny Mitchell
Charles O'Leary (some argument whether or not O'Leary is in the E121 set).
Bill Piercy
Braggo Roth
Casey Stengel (forgot. Thank

There's a guy named Chicken Hawks! He's from my neck of the woods -Santa Clara University. I need to get a card of his.

[kmac32]

Dave,

Do you mean this card? This is one of the Koester Bread cards that came from the sheet of 40 cards. SGC would not grade it as a W575 or Koester Bread because the card stock was thicker. My understanding is that PSA would grade this as a "Hand Cut" Koester. Would have preferred it to be in SGC slab so I used the Flip from SGC and an old case as i want the card to be displayed in my case.

[Brian Van Horn]

Here you go:

[martyp]

I had a group of Koester Bread cards a few years ago. I listed them on eBay and my web site. A guy contacted me and told me where he had consigned the group that I bought and what other players he had. He also told me that his father had opened boxes of pepperment candy and the cards were inside. I do not remember the brand. If I recall right, he was in Canada.

[MMarvelli]

In an Old Cardboard article regarding the E121 entourage Rhett Yeakley noted:

"There are also some players who were included in this (Koester’s) set that have position variations that can aide in determining that they are Koester’s cards."
These include:

Ross Youngs as R. F. (not O. F.)
John McGraw (side view) as Mgr. (not Manager)
John Rawlings as 2nd B. (not 2.B. or Utl.)

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by MMarvelli

In an Old Cardboard article regarding the E121 entourage Rhett Yeakley noted:

"There are also some players who were included in this (Koester’s) set that have position variations that can aide in determining that they are Koester’s cards."
These include:

Ross Youngs as R. F. (not O. F.)
John McGraw (side view) as Mgr. (not Manager)
John Rawlings as 2nd B. (not 2.B. or Utl.)

For the Ross Youngs R.F. vs. O.F. difference, do the 1922 W575-1's also show O.F., consistent with E121???

SGC graded, what I thought was a 1921 Koester Bread Ross Youngs as a W575-1 instead of Koester Bread even though it has "R.F." on it. Should I resubmit?? Will they change their opinion of the card with this info?