What 1912 stadium is this?

[BOB52]

Ty Cobb Baseball Card. 1911... Gray Uniform ~ White Buttons.

eBay w/zoom feature: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-D304-Br...item2ebe6d462c

[horzverti]

Originally Posted by BOB52

Ty Cobb Baseball Card. 1911... Gray Uniform ~ White Buttons.

eBay w/zoom feature: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-D304-Br...item2ebe6d462c

Here is where I found details on the uniform by year:

http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...ar&increment=9

Regarding the photo on the card...sometimes these old photos' images were changed a bit by the artist as they applied their "touches" to the cards' pictures.

I am open to all suggestions regarding the date of the Peaches' uniform in my (soon to be another's) photo.

Thanks again Bob.

By the way, if you like all the old stadium stuff, you should take a look at Charles Conlon's work. Maybe you are already familiar with him. He is my personal favorite. Those photos and negs I am keeping.

[BOB52]

horzverti ~

I trust you believe me when I say that my recent research was not an attempt to confirm or refute any dates, but rather because it was bugging me that I couldn't find a decent picture of the fence showing the "Wayne Knit" advertisment.

Below is another picture of Cobb at Hilltop Park. The site where I found it makes a 1911 reference to Cobb, but I'm not sure if the photo is actually from 1911 or not. I have a feeling if we look around enough we will be able to confirm all of this one way or another. But I have to admit, I am definitely leaning toward the "Wayne Knit Hosiery" fence as being at Hilltop in 1911 and not 1912.

Thanks.

Bob

Link with 1911 reference: http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/tdgh-jul/jul04.htm

[BOB52]

Just for the fun of it, check out this fraudulent website ...

http://www.clipartof.com/portfolio/j...m-1086386.html

I guess I'm just a trouble maker from way back because I'm thinking about sending them a harshly worded eMail telling them to do their homework. They are offering variuos sized reproduction photos of Ty Cobb and claiming he is depicted in a "full uniform" from 1914. And they're asking a whopping $30.00 for what they call a large print measuring 4" x 6" Now take a close look at the background. Everyone here will immediately recognize it as Hilltop Park. But how can it possibly be a 1914 photo of Ty Cobb at Hilltop Park when the very last game ever played at Hilltop was in October of 1912? In 1914, Hilltop was either already demolished or soon scheduled to be.

BOB52 ... "The Trouble Maker" (Lol)

[BOB52]

I was able to figure out what the other sign said that I originally (but incorrectly) thought said "Wayne Knit Hosiery" but had white writing along the bottom. It's actually ...

The Winning Pennant
Young's Hats
None Better Made
Stores on Broadway and Fifth Avenue

1. The first picture is the one I posted earlier with the red arrow.

2. The second picture is opening day 1908 and displayed on a different location of the fence. (This is the best close-up I could find).

Link: http://mightyflynn.tumblr.com/post/4...8-new-york-new

[BOB52]

This will likely conclude my contibution to this thread. As much as I would like to find a good close up of the "Wayne Knit Hosiery" portion of the fence, I have looked everywhere I can think of and it appears that one may not exist. And if one does exist, I have no clue where to search that I haven't already looked. So in conclusion, I'd like to sum up by saying it is my opinion that ...

1. The Ty Cobb photograph was taken near the right field fence at Hilltop Park, New York. (Exact game unknown).

2. The advertisment on the fence reads "Wayne Knit Hosiery/Makes The Home Run Right."

3. The photograph was taken during the 1911 baseball season.

Thanks for allowing me to indulge myself ... indulging is what I do best!

Respectfully,

BOB52

[BOB52]

horzverti ~

I realize that by this time next week your Ty Cobb photo will be on it's way to it's new owner and that will be the end of it. However, like all good detectives, I am required to report my findings as new evidence presents itself. In other words, based on some information that came to my attention recently, I now suspect that your photo might have been taken as early as 1910. In support of this new theory of mine, please consider the following ...

1. According to numerous accounts, especially the following New York Times newspaper article, the center field bleachers at Hilltop Park were not available for use by spectators until April of 1911. After opening the link, scroll to .. (All from the Times, click to enlarge), where you can read the entire article for yourself. Use the + that pops up to read.

Link: http://1911athletics.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html

2. Other sources, including Wikipedia, indicate the center field bleachers were not available until 1912. But irregardless of those other accounts, the New York Times article clearly establishes the correct date as 1911.

3. The very last game ever played at Hilltop Park was in October of 1912.

4. Thus, any and all photos of Hilltop Park that show the center field bleachers have to be from either 1911 or 1912. The center field bleachers did not exist in 1910.

5. Now closely examine the two photographs below.

1st photo ... Clearly shows the center field bleachers in addition to the "Young's Hats" advertisement on the fence. Because of the presence of the bleachers, this photo has to be from either 1911 or 1912.

2nd photo ... Clearly shows what I have confirmed to be the "Wayne Knit Hosiery" advertisment on the fence. However, notice the two buildings on the left and that there are no center field bleachers in front of them. Because of the absence of the the bleachers, this photo has to be from 1910 at the latest. (Are the bleachers not visible because of camera angle? I seriously doubt it! There are at least three more signs to the left of the "Wayne Knit Hosiery" sign. Whereas in the other photo there are only about two signs to the left of the "Young's Hats" sign. Plus, I can't find a single post-1910 photo of the bleachers that doesn't include the buildings behind it).

Please note that my findings are not 100% conclusive just yet, but with a little more research and eximination of other photos, both with and without the bleachers, I believe my new theory can either be confirmed or refuted depending on the evidence presented.

Please don't scalp me for this and know that my only reason for continuing this quandry is because I love doing research, especially when it involves a mystery.

Question: Based on this new evidence, do you think your Ty Cobb photo is 1910 ~ 1911 ~ or 1912? For me it appears they removed the "Wayne Knit Hosiery" sign in 1910 and replaced with the "Young's Hats" sign in 1911 when they built the new bleachers. Thus, at this juncture I honestly believe your Ty Cobb photo was taken in 1910.

Sincerely,

BOB52