Just a Little Concerned About This.....

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

Thanks guys,

It got jumbled up in my previous post, but to clarify, they did give my wife an address for Mr. No Name, which I'm assuming was his correct address today.

find out this shlub's name through a reverse address check online and post it for everybody to see. he shouldnt be able to remain anonymous.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by travrosty

find out this shlub's name through a reverse address check online and post it for everybody to see. he shouldnt be able to remain anonymous.

Just tried it, doesn't show to be a good address in google maps or whitepages.com.

[Tcards-Please]

Greg,

So you returned a card to an address that doesn't exist. I would think with that information, Paypal would refund your money since they are the ones who gave you the address. What happens now when what you mailed can't be delivered? How long is paypal going to make you jump through hoops?

I just don't understand how paypal didn't immediately side with you since the card that was advertised by the seller belonged to someone else. So they know you couldn't have received that card regardless of what card you actually received.

Hope it all works out for you.

r/
Frank

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Frank,

My wife just spoke to them again and verified the address for the third time (three separate calls throughout the day). She told the employee that the address did not seem to exist. The PP person said if he refuses it or it is a bad address I will get refunded.

I've been told during two different calls since this started that customers do not have to return counterfeit cards. Because we talk to someone different during each call, my wife asked why we had to return it and was told people always have to return no matter what.

About ready to catch a plane, would be well worth the expense.

[Clutch-Hitter]

And I doubt his name is Rose. Sleeveless yeah, Rose no.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

I've been told during two different calls since this started that customers do not have to return counterfeit cards.

Greg,

I'm sorry this happened to you and I feel sure PayPal will give you your money back, but I don't understand why they would tell you that counterfeit cards don't have to be returned. If that were true, what would keep scammers from claiming they received a "counterfeit" card from a seller and expect their money back from PayPal without having to return the card? Makes no sense. That said, I would have drawn a moustache and some eye glasses on the card with a Sharpee and returned it like that.

David

[Clutch-Hitter]

David,

It makes absolutely no sense. Based on what Iggy said, I should have communicated with Ebay instead of Paypal. Paypal lied to us multiple times, or at least said things they didn't follow through with. Another has been added since, a male employee told my wife the day we were ordered to ship the evidence that he would forward all email communications to us, but he didn't, He also said Paypal sent a message with the seller's address on the 11th. If they did, I couldn't find it even though I'm a bit obsessive about details like that. The fact that I used bill me later may further verify that I should not have communicated solely with Paypal, and in fact, Paypal said my bill me later was a 'guest account,' which seemed to indicate it was less significant.

It looks like there's no such address for the one he provided, but their PD has a heads up on the receiver of evidence, forged instruments and such. They were surprisingly receptive.

And here's a bit of information I must have learned from TV:

He sent the card in a screw down holder, which is comprised of a smooth surface inside and out. The use of such requires specific vertical pressure, therefore what the felon did was seal his fingerprints inside the screw down. He also sealed the fingerprints on the card inside the screwed down plastic.

Further, when a person uses tape, it's almost impossible to avoid handling the sticky side, and fingerprints cling to the sticky side better than most surfaces (you may know this from taping packages). Therefore, when he placed tape on the package, which contained his fingerprints on the sticky, downward facing side, and then placed the tape downward on the package, he trapped his identifying information on the envelope.

I have several examples of his, a family member's, a co-felon's, etc fingerprints, and it's going to be interesting watching him or his acquaintance explain how they managed to appear in central Alabama. A knowledgeable friend with the proper equipment helped, which primarily included photographing the evidence with a scale, which is apparently equal to actually lifting them. The scale enabled him to resize the prints on a 1/1 scale. They're beautiful.

There have been many cases of construction workers taking advantage of the elderly and/or single women, and he's possibly been pegged for that as well. We'll see.

I'm in contact with some people there and offered to fly over there if needed and to fly back for a court appearance. I figure it's only the right thing to do, especially for all the existing and/or potential victims there.

There may be an interesting event in the next few days, will keep y'all updated.

edited to say: Or maybe sooner
Expected Delivery By:
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[Leon]

And don't forget anything that goes through the mail can involve the US Postal Inspectors. They have way more authority than some folks are aware of. Their authority is Federal so they can cross some boundaries (I think) that local law enforcement might not be able to.

[Clutch-Hitter]

I kept the package it came in. The postage label reads 92544, but the return zip was 92583.

[jimq]

This shows up as his painting business in helmut ca, phone #951-487-5095. The zip for this address is the 92544. This address is his house, pictured at the link below

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=27070%...cbp=12,0,0,0,0

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks,
The address Paypal gave me is not that one

[jimq]

Well I'm sure it's all ok now. The guy wouldn't cheat anybody, he's a minister with his own church.

http://lightoflovechapel.webs.com/apps/members/

There is a paypal button to donate, I guess if you donate $.01 you could see if it's the same account, and prove to paypal that the address you're using is correct!

[Tsaiko]

Originally Posted by jimq

Well I'm sure it's all ok now. The guy wouldn't cheat anybody, he's a minister with his own church.

http://lightoflovechapel.webs.com/apps/members/

There is a paypal button to donate, I guess if you donate $.01 you could see if it's the same account, and prove to paypal that the address you're using is correct!

Great Caesar's Ghost, this guy has more scams than Madoff.

If I were to bet, I'd bet that that address, with the kid and soccer mom mini van in front, is the home of his ex wife, whom he owes child support to, going back six years. But he still visits his kid so he can pick up his mail.

[iggyman]

Wow! What a headache, but hang in there. I had a similar situation, but it was resolved quickly and to my satisfaction. Last month, I purchased on eBay what I assumed to be a 1934 Butterfinger Babe Ruth card/premium. When the card arrived it was an obvious counterfeit (laser printer copy). The seller did not accept returns, so I quickly opened a case and simply stated that the item was not as described, and was not a baseball card (seller only described the item as an old Babe Ruth baseball card). A few days later, eBay sent me a prepaid UPS link which I used to ship the card back. Refund was issued (by eBay) once the card arrived back at the sellers house. I did not have to incur any return shipping charges, nor did I need to know where the seller lived (it almost felt like I was using Amazon).

In your situation, I'm not sure why eBay did not do the same? Perhaps, my seller agreed to take the card back and that made things alot easier? I now feel very fortunate.

Good luck!

Lovely Day...

[RUSH2112]

Time for you to get nasty and post any information you have about this guy.

email address - phone number - address ect.

I already have his pic saved on my desktop.