Any thoughts on this Splendid Splinter

[bender07]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

You almost never find a postmarked forged GPC that is true.
But on this one I lean towards it being secretarial.
Zip's analysis was a good one and this Williams just does not look right in several different ways.
And yes that group of three are painfully bad.
Darren, did you say you got them through the mail??
If so, Ted must have been breaking in a new ghost signer, who did not last very long.
They do not look like the usual TTM Ted Williams autographs.
And no Zip I won't haul out my Mona Lisa Ted on this thread. .

ps. dating the sig. would not be out of the norm, I don't consider that to be a deciding factor.

Thanks for the insight Richard. Any thoughts on the 41 Play Ball?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by bender07

Thanks for the insight Richard. Any thoughts on the 41 Play Ball?

I always hate to say this,,, but if you had sent me a check to authenticate this, I would probably send you the check back and say I cannot say yes or no. It happens about two or three times a year. (I don't do the volume that the big two do, I am the boutique authenticator, and you can always get me on the phone as opposed to them).
I trust my exemplar file and I have one or two with some similarities to your sig incl. that W, but there are a couple of causes for concern.
The one thing I lack is a good AP from right around 1940, which would clarify this. I buy albums regularly but never got one with a circa early 1940 sig of him.

[RichardSimon]

Shown this before but take a look again:
1949 exemplar, earliest one that I have that I can date with certainty, used to own the full piece.
Insurance document signature.

ps. don't call or write between 1-4 today. Will be watching the Rangers beat the Devils,, . (not at game, on TV).

[steve B]

From baseball reference FWIW.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...e-scores.shtml

On Sept 8, 1954 Boston played Detroit at Detroit. They were in the middle of a road trip that ran from Sept 3-19.

Of course, the previous game was in NY on the 6th, so someone could have mailed it for him if they went back to to Boston from NY. (Doubleheader, so maybe the NYPO was closed after the game ended?)

Steve B

[bender07]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I always hate to say this,,, but if you had sent me a check to authenticate this, I would probably send you the check back and say I cannot say yes or no. It happens about two or three times a year. (I don't do the volume that the big two do, I am the boutique authenticator, and you can always get me on the phone as opposed to them).
I trust my exemplar file and I have one or two with some similarities to your sig incl. that W, but there are a couple of causes for concern.
The one thing I lack is a good AP from right around 1940, which would clarify this. I buy albums regularly but never got one with a circa early 1940 sig of him.

Richard - FYI I forwarded a note to regarding the 41's potential authenticity.

[bender07]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I always hate to say this,,, but if you had sent me a check to authenticate this, I would probably send you the check back and say I cannot say yes or no. It happens about two or three times a year. (I don't do the volume that the big two do, I am the boutique authenticator, and you can always get me on the phone as opposed to them).
I trust my exemplar file and I have one or two with some similarities to your sig incl. that W, but there are a couple of causes for concern.
The one thing I lack is a good AP from right around 1940, which would clarify this. I buy albums regularly but never got one with a circa early 1940 sig of him.

Originally Posted by bender07

Richard - FYI I forwarded a note to regarding the 41's potential authenticity.

Just to close the loop on the 41 Play Ball Williams, the card was obtained from Jim Stinson (another great dealer in the industry like Richard) and his opinion is that it's an authentic pre-military Williams. He has a vast experience with Williams' autograph so I feel comfortable.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by bender07

Just to close the loop on the 41 Play Ball Williams, the card was obtained from Jim Stinson (another great dealer in the industry like Richard) and his opinion is that it's an authentic pre-military Williams. He has a vast experience with Williams' autograph so I feel comfortable.

Mark, I'd like to have Jim take a look at a signature of Ted from 1939 that's in dispute. Can you PM me with his info or how I can go about contacting him?

Thanks.

[mr2686]

Jake, PM sent.

[scmavl]

Woah, this thread is all over the place...

I am pretty sure JollyElm meant that his sigs interconnect like one example posted on this thread, WHICH IT DOES.



However, I think we are all pretty conclusive on the fact that, unfortunately for him, his Williams are poor fakes.

Please remember though that if any of you are like me, you knew VERY LITTLE about real/fake autos before you joined this forum. I couldn't tell a real Mantle from a $2 ebay fake when I joined. I have learned SO MUCH in the past two years. Let's give JollyElm the benefit of the doubt and help him out instead of crucifying him.

Eh?

[mr2686]

Does that mean we have to put away our torches and pitchforks?