My T206 Plank theory....New Follow-up info

[pitchernut]

T200 but not on the T222... team obligations on the T200?

[g_vezina_c55]

it is a lot of tobacco set for a guy who are anti tobacco....

[markf31]

Has anyone done any research into the 2 prominent baseball photgraphers of the day, Carl Horner and Charles Conlon. Perhaps we're looking at this from the wrong side. Perhaps the photographers themselves were involved? Everyone discusses compensation for using the players likeness to the player, but what about compensation to the specific photographer for using their photograph?

Here are two links to the Honus Wagner T206 likeness, one from what appears to be Carl Horner and another from Charles Conlon.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2005/699.html

http://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/L...4%22-349%2F975

[wonkaticket]

Post #21....that's where he (Plank) be found...

For me and this is just my idea of on the Plank card. I really don’t think it has anything to do with letters from lawyers, pulling cards or any drama. I really think the Plank card is a victim of bad production timing and planning that led to the card being printed in smaller numbers.

I think he was added at the tail end of 1909’s production then got carried over into 1910’s production for a brief time and was moved off the sheet to make room for other cards. I only think this because we have way less 150’s than 350’s of Plank that I’m aware of.

Of course I have no proof or documents to back this up just my thoughts is all which is as valid as anyone’s else’s thoughts on this card 100+ years later.

Cheers,

P.S. Tim, nice gallery on Plank BTW, FYI I think #53 is the same card as #14a I’m 99% sure. Could be wrong but both have the same spot and that card has seen 3 holders that I know of.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I really don’t think it has anything to do with letters from lawyers, pulling cards or any drama. I really think the Plank card is a victim of bad production timing and planning that led to the card being printed in smaller numbers.

+1

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

P.S. Tim, nice gallery on Plank BTW, FYI I think #53 is the same card as #14a I’m 99% sure. Could be wrong but both have the same spot and that card has seen 3 holders that I know of.

John - I don't believe #14 and #53 are the same card. #53 is missing distinguishing marks that 14a and 14b both have. Auctions for card 14a and 14b have taken place prior to and after the auction for #53 without these marks changing. Hopefully an better scan of card #53 will become available that shows these differences more clearly.

[wonkaticket]

Tim, agree tough to tell from that cell phone on the carpet pic. You would think the guy who can afford a Plank could get a better camera

Just seems to have the same dots that the Mastro card had that sold raw twice....also seems to have the same collar spot once agin hard to tell for sure. Can’t imagine there are too many altered planks with that eye appeal and the same dot floating around guess that’s why I think it’s the same card etc.

I do know that card was put in a PSA holder by the winner and then switched to SGC later in life.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=13038

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=68374



All good just thought I would let you know..

Cheers,

John

[Abravefan11]

I don't have time to do a Photoshop comparison right now but I see the similarities you're pointing out but there are other things I don't see.

- The corners on #53 seem to be softer to me than those on #14.
- I see a distinct dark spot on the lower right hand border that is visible on #14 before and after #53 sold. Maybe the holder is blocking it, but it seems like it should be there #53 but I don't see it.
- There's a spot on the lower right hand corner border of #53 that isn't on any of the #14 images.
-There are spots on all #14 examples in the upper right hand corner border in the same place, and a spot on the upper right hand corner in a slightly different place on #53.

These differences would prevent me from saying at this time they are the same card and I would prefer to err on the side of them being different than the same. If a better scan becomes available and it's shown to be the same card it's an easy fix and I'll be glad to do it.

[atx840]

Skew adjusted.



When comparing Planks, I have found that the "A" being an ink layer mostly on its own is usually slightly offset on most examples, when lining these up they are identical.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

For me and this is just my idea of on the Plank card. I really don’t think it has anything to do with letters from lawyers, pulling cards or any drama. I really think the Plank card is a victim of bad production timing and planning that led to the card being printed in smaller numbers.

No letters from lawyers, no drama....back in those early 20th Century days, such disputes were simply resolved with a "handshake" or perhaps a "cease & desist" order.

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I think he was added at the tail end of 1909’s production then got carried over into 1910’s production for a brief time and was moved off the sheet to make room for other cards. I only think this because we have way less 150’s than 350’s of Plank that I’m aware of.

This sounds like a plausible scenario; however, can you explain why the majority of Sweet Cap 150 Plank's are Factory #30 cards.....and, of course the Sweet Cap 350
Plank's were only inserted in Factory #30 cigarette packs ?

The dearth of Factory #25 cards makes me quite suspicious. Of course this also applies to the Piedmont brand (Factory #25). So, why am I "suspicious" of Factory #30
dominance....Well, cigarette packs from Factory #25 were distributed down South and to Pennsylvania.

Cigarette packs from Factory #30 were distributed to New York and New England.

Hmmmm, it seems to me that ATC was playing "cryptic" distribution games with their Plank cards.....until they were told to stop.


TED Z

[g_vezina_c55]

If we comparé the wagner and the plank,


Anyone can post à list where plank appear in the pre war era?
And do same thing with wagner?
Thx