Psa,bgs,sgc

[rainier2004]

I am surprised as folks that endorse TPG's, not trying to sound offensive here, just surprised. Supporters (and critics) of these companies STILL point out the fact that these companies have their own agenda ie registry, mass submissions, the owners name on the submissions, etc. and they are still heavily supported. I cant imagine a judge of law also being sub-contracted by someone on trial; or anyone else that is making a judgement call working for one of the sides and still calling them unbias and "fair"...simply too many agendas that conflict with their primary mission.

[marktheshark83]

sgc all the way for my t206 cards

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I am surprised as folks that endorse TPG's, not trying to sound offensive here, just surprised. Supporters (and critics) of these companies STILL point out the fact that these companies have their own agenda ie registry, mass submissions, the owners name on the submissions, etc. and they are still heavily supported. I cant imagine a judge of law also being sub-contracted by someone on trial; or anyone else that is making a judgement call working for one of the sides and still calling them unbias and "fair"...simply too many agendas that conflict with their primary mission.

For-profit companies all have an agenda. It's to make profit. How they get there is what we discuss. As long as they do a fair, honest job all is good. I have spoken with the heads of all 3 of the grading companies we are talking about and all 3 of them are honest imo.....They all admit they and their companies are human and make mistakes. I honestly believe all of them care about the hobby too. (not just as a business but as, and for, collectors too)

[ullmandds]

The only time I send PSA my biz-ness is when I want a card over-graded! Not accurately graded...over-graded!

[glchen]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I am surprised as folks that endorse TPG's, not trying to sound offensive here, just surprised. Supporters (and critics) of these companies STILL point out the fact that these companies have their own agenda ie registry, mass submissions, the owners name on the submissions, etc. and they are still heavily supported. I cant imagine a judge of law also being sub-contracted by someone on trial; or anyone else that is making a judgement call working for one of the sides and still calling them unbias and "fair"...simply too many agendas that conflict with their primary mission.

They have an agenda to make a profit, but TPG's are still an objective third party between the seller and buyer of cards. It's much worse when the seller of a raw card is giving their own grading system and saying that this card is EX even with paper loss, creases and writing on the card. In that analogy, it's like the judge for your trial is the same person who accused you of the crime. (or think Roger Goodell deciding the appeals of the same punishments he just carried out).

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by glchen

They have an agenda to make a profit, but TPG's are still an objective third party between the seller and buyer of cards. It's much worse when the seller of a raw card is giving their own grading system and saying that this card is EX even with paper loss, creases and writing on the card. In that analogy, it's like the judge for your trial is the same person who accused you of the crime. (or think Roger Goodell deciding the appeals of the same punishments he just carried out).

I see your point here and Im not questioning honesty or their right to make a profit. What I am questioning is why it seems to be relatively known that:

1) Dealers with larger submissions get higher overall grades
2) They grade to "protect" the registry and are reluctant to give high grades at times as that will affect the price of the market
3) Their relative attitude towards crossing over cards left in other TPG case (Sgc seems to be excluded here)
4) Sometimes cards, t206 wags/plank/etc, tend to be on their own grading scale

I have experienced some horrible mistakes including tpg 4's and 5's that I bust open and have rips, paper loss, creases and other blemishes that should have made them a 1 but their tpg case does a wondeful job of hiding those flaws in scans. For $15, or whatever the price, they just do a better job in my opinion and if that dictates the graders slow down, than hire more...mistakes would cost me my job.

Ive never sent a card in and never will but Id like to think everyone in the industry in honest...but thats just stupid hoping. None of the factors I mentioned should be relative in a cards grade in any manner. Since I have no experience in the matter I can only go by what others say and there's folks in this post that admit to these doings as well and thats what surprises me. Raw guys can do the same thing as well, but they arent paid for their opinions. Blast away...