Is the T206 P350 Schulte Scrap or Factory Cut?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Tim,

Thanks for the information. Those "8s" look to me like they could have have been drawn by the same hand.

I think it is important to keep in mind that the big issue here is not whether or not this particular Schulte card is "factory cut" per se, but whether or not it is scrap (as opposed to being distributed in a pack). There is a subtle difference, which is why the mark at the top and the clipped upper left corner are relevant to the inquiry.

Scot

Scot......very astute observations of yours. In my opinion, this PIEDMONT 350 Schulte is not an American Litho. regular production T206 card.

I have been tracking this Schulte pose [along with Ames (hands at chest) and Larry Doyle (throwing)] for the past 6 years, since we started our T206 surveys on Net54.
I've seen several 100's of different cards of Schulte (front view) at shows, on ebay, auctions & pop reports in these 6 years. The majority of them are PIEDMONT 150.
Only about 33 % of them are SWEET CAPORAL 150.....and, a handful of them are SOVEREIGN 150 or brown HINDU cards.

The fact that NO other examples of this card with a PIEDMONT 350 back have surfaced, in these 6 years since I (and others) have searched for them, tells us that this
particular Schulte card is just an anomaly.


Best regards, Scot

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Recently a board member confirmed a Lou Ritter Old Mill. Previous to this I wasn't aware of one being confirmed on any checklist and there isn't a graded example on either SGC's or PSA's pop report.

I personally looked for a Bill Sweeney Tolstoi back for years and began thinking one might not exist. One was grade by SGC and I was fortunate to buy it when it was listed on Ebay. It still remains the only example on a pop report and I haven't seen another.

My point is that we're still learning of front/back combinations that weren't previously known for backs that aren't considered scarce.

While the Piedmont 350 back is the most common overall, anyone that has tried collecting the short prints with this back, knows they are anything but common. So as I said before, the Schulte is a mystery and unique, but at this point saying another definitely won't show up in my opinion is premature.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

But Ted said it is not a regular Piedmont 350.

Lee

[Jantz]

Whether the Schulte is factory or hand cut, I'm still unsure.

But one thing that caught my attention was the edge wear on that "clipped corner".

If one were to believe that the edge wear is consistent all the way around the card then was that corner clipped at the factory or by a previous owner.

Would love to hear anyone else's thoughts.


Jantz

[T206Collector]

The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

While I do not intend to discourage theorizing and discussion, it is far more likely that this was factory cut, and carved, soiled, and marked by a collector in the normal course of 100+ years. When you are dealing with very very small sample sizes you have to be really careful about making assumptions about the entire universe.

As my friend once said about my first apartment in Brooklyn, "You may only see one cockroach on your counter, but that means there are thousands behind the walls."

I suspect the longer you guys engage in an expanded discussion of T206 backs -- and I am just one collector who has put together 521 unique T206 fronts in recent years without ever hardly peeking at the backs -- you will continue to unfold mystery upon mystery. Rather than jump to conclusions, wouldn't it be better to test hypotheses?

For those of you who think this Schulte is a unique, one-of-a-kind scrap, how much would you pay for a TPG example? Put your money on this one publicly and you encourage the public to actively pursue more examples.