Need Information on a 1952 Topps Frank House "Yellow' Tigers Logo Variation Card

[flkersn]

There are several "variations" of this card. They run from the full color logo to the yellow/black logo. In between there are variations where the orange and red gradually disappear until all the is left is the yellow and black logo.

I would be surprised if there is a gray back version, since it would imply that the card stock was changed during the color depletion, or that the exact same depletion occurred during a separate run.

IMHO

[ALR-bishop]

I agree with you flkersn that it would be unlikely for the same defect to show up in what were likely different print runs, maybe by different printers since the fronts of the grays are also different from the regular cards. And, I think the original poster finally decided that his card is not a gray back

[toppcat]

I'm pretty sure Topps only used one printer for the 52's-Lord Baltimore Printing, of Baltimore, MD.

[Rich Klein]

Roger Neufeldt has/had both varieties at the Dallas Card Show this weekend. He showed me 3 copies of the "tougher" variety

Rich

[ALR-bishop]

I bought a full baseball subset of the Topps Push Pulls from Roger at one of the last decent shows in San Antonio years back. Great guy.

I am still not clear on how many versions of the House card are possible given the gray back version and different transition cards.

Dave was Lord Baltimore the same guy who helped track down Butch and The Kid ?

[Republicaninmass]

I'll go out on a limb here.

3 versions to make it easy

Partial red or no red with red "pixels" missing under loupe- cream

No red, no missing "pixels"-cream

No red, no missing "pixels"-gray

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I'll go out on a limb here.

3 versions to make it easy

Partial red or no red with red "pixels" missing under loupe- cream

No red, no missing "pixels"-cream

No red, no missing "pixels"-gray

I am chiming in rather late here but I generally agree with Ted's position.

I have been looking at the mid-series print run for quite a while and I believe numerous cards were printed and slightly re-positioned on the sheet in successive stages. This led to the pattern noticed above.

My feeling is that there were several print runs for each series in the set. Some series in the set had the master sheets re-done to correct for various printing issues. I believe Topps had a timing issue with the mid-series cards and quickly produced this series. This led to a high proportion of miscuts as the spacing between a number of cards was consistently "off". Just a guess here as I stopped tracking this a while ago, but most of the miscuts in this set come from this series.

You can also see from the quarter panels (100 card series was printed in 4 - 50 card panels in an A & B sheet) card fronts/backs and spacing between cards are not consistent. However, you can tell somewhere along the line adjustments were made as the black borders rimming the pictures are different.

I believe the borders are different because the cards were "re-positioned" to make the spacing between cards more consistent to cut down on the miscut cards. I suspect, they cleaned up the borders of several cards at the same time. The most noticeable border change occurred in the #307 Campos card which has several variations.

Z