Roberto Clemente Signed Autographed Baseball Global Authentics

[GrayGhost]

I just see the 2 ball size variations, and am asking how come the ball in question couldn't be the type that does not have the Made in Haiti, but is the earlier version on left of his two photos.

Regardless, the idea of Just removing something there casts potential suspicion at the very least.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

I just see the 2 ball size variations, and am asking how come the ball in question couldn't be the type that does not have the Made in Haiti, but is the earlier version on left of his two photos.

Regardless, the idea of Just removing something there casts potential suspicion at the very least.

Edit- The actual "ball" on the stamp is bigger on the newer ball and the writing is a tad different, i see now.

[GrayGhost]

Its tough tho. wow..My eyes are bad I guess, but yes, the writing is def a bit different

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Its tough tho. wow..My eyes are bad I guess, but yes, the writing is def a bit different

it is tough, i couldn't see the difference at first either. I thought he was saying the size of the actual baseball was a tad bit bigger, haha.

[Bilko G]

The thing is, is if Chris can catch the ball as a forgery without even having to see the autograph, just by dating the ball, why can't the so-called experts do this as well??

My advice to the "experts" is, don't even bother authenticating the autograph until you do research on the actual ball (or item) and make sure the ball is from the right time frame for an authentic autograph to be even able to exist on it.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

The thing is, is if Chris can catch the ball as a forgery without even having to see the autograph, just by dating the ball, why can't the so-called experts do this as well??

My advice to the "experts" is, don't even bother authenticating the autograph until you do research on the actual ball (or item) and make sure the ball is from the right time frame for an authentic autograph to be even able to exist on it.

You got that right. That should be the first step. The Ball itself has to be from the RIGHT period for the signer. If not, no point in even going further.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

You got that right. That should be the first step. The Ball itself has to be from the RIGHT period for the signer. If not, no point in even going further.

That should always be the first step. Why bother with any autograph analysis if it's on an item that couldn't have been signed in the players lifetime. That's like Autograph 101.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Its tough tho. wow..My eyes are bad I guess, but yes, the writing is def a bit different

The stitching on the "printed balls" is different as well.... especially at the top-left and lower-right. This forgery is clearly the later version.

[Leon]

Someone tried to register this morning and said they had info on this ball and the dating of it...supposedly refuting what is said here. They didn't give the required info and when I emailed them, their email address wasn't registered and it bounced back. It isn't impossible to slime into our forum but I have gotten a sixth sense since moderating, concerning registrations. I try to make it difficult for the scammers or fraudsters. Now, if they want to register with all of the correct info, and then they and I have a long chat, they are more than welcome here to defend themselves. They won't be anonymous if I can help it though.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

Someone tried to register this morning and said they had info on this ball and the dating of it...supposedly refuting what is said here. They didn't give the required info and when I emailed them, their email address wasn't registered and it bounced back. It isn't impossible to slime into our forum but I have gotten a sixth sense since moderating, concerning registrations. I try to make it difficult for the scammers or fraudsters. Now, if they want to register with all of the correct info, and then they and I have a long chat, they are more than welcome here to defend themselves. They won't be anonymous if I can help it though.

Funny how I have been in an e mail exchange with one of the prime people who is involved, but not participating, in this debate. He also told me a story about this ball and dating, etc. Considering that the supposed adult who wrote to me told me that Chris lived with his mother and was a drunk (I was actually wondering if this person who wrote to me was a 14 yr old in junior high school because that was the last time I heard people talk like that) and that Brandon explained this ball to us already and the e mail was self serving I did not give it a lot of credence.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Maybe Sipe can explain to us why he and Gryder authenticated the Roberto Clemente signature on that baseball.

Whoever penned that Roberto Clemente spent approximately thirty-minutes penning it. Coach's Corner variety Clemente.

The moment I saw that auction on Ebay and clicked on the photograph of the Clemente signature on that baseball, I knew immediately it wasn't authentic, but somehow, under close examination by you and Gryder, the both of you determined it was authentic. Seriously?

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