Let's take this scumbag down again!

[nolemmings]

unbelievable that in this day and age someone is spending 5k on a fake card online.

Especially this card. There are a dozen or more Ruth rookie reprints on e-bay every day, and while many have the word "reprint" in the corner, many others do not. How can you not notice that the card being sold as original or authentic looks exactly like these others? It's hard to have sympathy for someone who won't do even a minimum amount of homework on this card. At least the one I pointed out a couple of weeks ago was a dangerous fake--a copy of an actual card rather than a reprint and slabbed (although by a non-standard TPG). Here this card just screamed bogus.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Especially this card. There are a dozen or more Ruth rookie reprints on e-bay every day, and while many have the word "reprint" in the corner, many others do not. How can you not notice that the card being sold as original or authentic looks exactly like these others? It's hard to have sympathy for someone who won't do even a minimum amount of homework on this card. At least the one I pointed out a couple of weeks ago was a dangerous fake--a copy of an actual card rather than a reprint and slabbed (although by a non-standard TPG). Here this card just screamed bogus.

Agreed. Beyond that the card looked ridiculous -- who could buy the excuse for not getting it graded? Why do people spend 5K on a card with no research but will spend an hour thinking about a $20 lunch?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Agreed. Beyond that the card looked ridiculous -- who could buy the excuse for not getting it graded? Why do people spend 5K on a card with no research but will spend an hour thinking about a $20 lunch?

Jeff, many years ago my grandparents (RIP) would drive all the way across town to save .25 on day old bread. People do strange things. But in this day and age there isn't much excuse. As Todd said, it's hard to have pity on them for making such ignorant decisions.

[E93]

If ebay agrees this is fraud, why are they not informing authorities and having charges pressed?
JimB

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by E93

If ebay agrees this is fraud, why are they not informing authorities and having charges pressed?
JimB

Well Jim, as much as I agree with you, I think they are overwhelmed with fraud.

And after seeing the FBI let Chan free and clear frommaking the fake T206 back stamps, nothing shocks me any more.

[danmckee]

I was wondering if that was a legit sale or not. How could someone purchasing that card not be a board lurker at the minimum???

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I was wondering if that was a legit sale or not. How could someone purchasing that card not be a board lurker at the minimum???

A lurker may miss threads because of the title. For instance the title to this one "Let's take this scumbag down again!" doesn't inform anyone that it is about a 1916 M101 Babe Ruth.

Even doing a search they may not find it because there is a link but the actual reference to the card is seldom made in these threads.

I am not fully trying to defend people not doing their research before spending $5k, but merely trying to point out how even a casual lurker may miss doing the research here. Most of us have learned about the "Detecting Card Alterations and reprints" at the top, but I didn't know about it when I was a lurker.

[Deertick]

Anyone else think this was a targeted BIN auction for someone who contacted him? I believe the 1st listing (for 10 days) was around 3K when it was taken down, and this one (3 day) had a 5K BIN that sold?

Wanna bet he tells the buyer eBay made a mistake and tries to complete this offline? Even if this was a straight-up impulse bid, they have each others contact info. Hopefuly eBay specifies to the buyer WHY the sale was canceled!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Anyone else think this was a targeted BIN auction for someone who contacted him? I believe the 1st listing (for 10 days) was around 3K when it was taken down, and this one (3 day) had a 5K BIN that sold?

Wanna bet he tells the buyer eBay made a mistake and tries to complete this offline? Even if this was a straight-up impulse bid, they have each others contact info. Hopefuly eBay specifies to the buyer WHY the sale was canceled!

Very good point, but if the buyer keeps on insisting to buy it then at this point it is on that person. Like a person who drives through the signs saying the road ends then falls off the edge of the road.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

A lurker may miss threads because of the title. For instance the title to this one "Let's take this scumbag down again!" doesn't inform anyone that it is about a 1916 M101 Babe Ruth.

Even doing a search they may not find it because there is a link but the actual reference to the card is seldom made in these threads.

I am not fully trying to defend people not doing their research before spending $5k, but merely trying to point out how even a casual lurker may miss doing the research here. Most of us have learned about the "Detecting Card Alterations and reprints" at the top, but I didn't know about it when I was a lurker.

Yes very possible, but maybe he would have seen the post entitled: I need some help removing this fake Ruth.

Anyway, if he still buys it at this point behind the scenes, then he is a complete idiot.

Even when the completed item was up, it showed other auctions you may be interested in at the top and there were a few Ruth's that looked exactly like his, same centering and everything, and were clearly labeled reprints.

Ebay won't state why the auction closed, just a generic letter to the buyer that he shouldn't complete the sale.