FB cards as an investment?

[jefferyepayne]

This forum is the first one I always check but usually there isn't anything new posted. Maybe we should take a cue from the BB forums and have a set of common threads that we do on a periodic basis to generate interest and get more people engaged. Some that come to mind from reading the BB forums include:

* Show your pickups of the month (we've done this a few times so far but could do it every month)

* Show me your XXXXX. Pick a famous player and have people show their various cards for that player. With less FB cards than BB, these threads probably won't go as long or be as varied as BB is but we can try it out

* What's your Monster Vintage Football Number? Design a numbering scheme for a bunch of vintage football sets together and keep score as to how many of the total cards people have

* Discussions of major auctions going on and what's available from a football perspective

* Discussions on the most difficult sets / cards to obtain

jeff

Originally Posted by smotan_02

This is one of the many threads I check in my "Net54 routine". It is usually second and usually a disappointment due to a lack of posts. I guess I could post more, but I don't have many cards and don't have much to post. Guess I could post more as I encourage other people to do the same.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

This forum is the first one I always check but usually there isn't anything new posted. Maybe we should take a cue from the BB forums and have a set of common threads that we do on a periodic basis to generate interest and get more people engaged. Some that come to mind from reading the BB forums include:

* Show your pickups of the month (we've done this a few times so far but could do it every month)

* Show me your XXXXX. Pick a famous player and have people show their various cards for that player. With less FB cards than BB, these threads probably won't go as long or be as varied as BB is but we can try it out

* What's your Monster Vintage Football Number? Design a numbering scheme for a bunch of vintage football sets together and keep score as to how many of the total cards people have

* Discussions of major auctions going on and what's available from a football perspective

* Discussions on the most difficult sets / cards to obtain

jeff

I like all those...Im in.

[Leon]

Guys, from a person who is closing in on 7000 posts on this board and more than twice as many than all but a few people, I can absolutely tell you that more threads and posts begat more threads and posts. If you want more action then you need to be the one to start it. If you build it, they will come .

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Leon

Guys, from a person who is closing in on 7000 posts on this board and more than twice as many than all but a few people, I can absolutely tell you that more threads and posts begat more threads and posts. If you want more action then you need to be the one to start it. If you build it, they will come .

Leon, football by your own admission isn't even a primary function of N54. It's lumped in with "water cooler talk" as a forum for F's sake. So the " if you build it the will come" rhetoric starts at the top, meaning you! Make N54 a tad bit more football friendly and you'll see more football posts, ie more traffic, ie more banner add money.

[jimthorpe]

Joe, you need to be more candid in your posts. This beating around the bush is confusing for everyone.

However, this time I must agree with you...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Publius

Leon, football by your own admission isn't even a primary function of N54. It's lumped in with "water cooler talk" as a forum for F's sake. So the " if you build it the will come" rhetoric starts at the top, meaning you! Make N54 a tad bit more football friendly and you'll see more football posts, ie more traffic, ie more banner add money.

Great suggestion. So how does one make the forum more football friendly?

[jefferyepayne]

Well, since you asked ...

I would assume there is not enough football traffic on the site to justify more than one football forum (i.e. pre-war, post-war, etc.) so any suggestions along those lines are probably DOA and I would agree.

It would help if the football forum was elevated to "above the fold" on the web site so it is closer to the top. I don't know how the site evolved but I would reorganize it as follows:

Main Forums
* Pre-war baseball forum
* Post-war baseball forum
* Vintage football forum
* Vintage memorabilia forum

Buy/Sell/Trade
(keep as is)

Watercooler
* All sports
* Off topics & new members

Other Forums
* Boxing/Wrestling
* Hockey/Basketball/Tennis
* Golf/Soccer/Cricket

This way all of the major forums are together and at the top. Perhaps the hardcore baseball people would not like this but it make organizational sense if you want to better highlight football.

jeff

Originally Posted by Leon

Great suggestion. So how does one make the forum more football friendly?

[Myachelydra]

Nice thread Jeff...if you do searches on the main board you will find that we have similar discussions in the past, including one titled "football sucks". Obviously those are not my feelings as football has been a passion of mine as a player, coach, collector, and researcher for the last 35 years.

Football collecting is at the beginning of a renaissance of sorts. As people like Bob Swick of Gridiron Greats provide a vehicle for collectors to share information about the game and collectibles the hobby side will continue to gain momentum. Knowledge, interest, and prices of vintage football collectibles have escalated in the past few years.

I collect vintage baseball as well and love both sports...many vintage baseball collectors do not share multiple interests which could explain the relegation of football to the water cooler section. In defense of the policy, Net54 was set up to be a vintage baseball forum.

Shoot me an email and we can discuss some potential outlets to discuss vintage football.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Great suggestion. So how does one make the forum more football friendly?

A lobotomy and some tight pants?

I kid my knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing friends...

Seriously, all sports cards have investment potential if you get in at the right price. What is missing for the non-baseball sports is liquidity. Fewer collectors = tougher to liquidate at the best prices.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

A lobotomy and some tight pants?

I kid my knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing friends...

Seriously, all sports cards have investment potential if you get in at the right price. What is missing for the non-baseball sports is liquidity. Fewer collectors = tougher to liquidate at the best prices.

Recent auction results for football cards have been very strong so either these few collectors are spending some serious cash or more and more collectors are moving into football. It's probably a combination of both but I believe the latter is drive prices up substantially.

jeff

[SetBuilder]

The 1950 Bowman football set is a work of art. I'd go with that one.

[Publius]

You could almost take the football cards from Joey O's top .200 card set and assign those point values. That would be a brief way, maybe sprinkle in a point for every set you are over 30% on, another point if you're 100% on it. Who knows, so many ways

[jefferyepayne]

Joey O's .200 card list? What is this list?

jeff

[BigRedOne]

Hey all!

This is my first post here. Ive been a long term member of both the PSA(recently banned) and the SGC boards.

While I have some oddball cards from all sports as well as non-sport issues, FOOTBALL cards are my passion.

After 40 years of sniffing out the finest(Im a centering freak) cards for my 1970 to 1979 Topps Football run Ive gotten to the point where I still have a want list, but just can't find better cards to upgrade.

In addition to my 1969 to 1989 Topps football run I also work on a 1957 Topps Football Set, as well as a 1955 Topps AA SGC Set.

I hope to see more action in the Football area here. A few favorites from my collection.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by BigRedOne

Hey all!

This is my first post here. Ive been a long term member of both the PSA(recently banned) and the SGC boards.

While I have some oddball cards from all sports as well as non-sport issues, FOOTBALL cards are my passion.

After 40 years of sniffing out the finest(Im a centering freak) cards for my 1970 to 1979 Topps Football run Ive gotten to the point where I still have a want list, but just can't find better cards to upgrade.

In addition to my 1969 to 1989 Topps football run I also work on a 1957 Topps Football Set, as well as a 1955 Topps AA SGC Set.

I hope to see more action in the Football area here. A few favorites from my collection.

Welcome to Net54! Glad to hear another football card collector has joined our ranks.

jeff

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

This forum is the first one I always check but usually there isn't anything new posted. Maybe we should take a cue from the BB forums and have a set of common threads that we do on a periodic basis to generate interest and get more people engaged. Some that come to mind from reading the BB forums include:

* Show your pickups of the month (we've done this a few times so far but could do it every month)

* Show me your XXXXX. Pick a famous player and have people show their various cards for that player. With less FB cards than BB, these threads probably won't go as long or be as varied as BB is but we can try it out

* What's your Monster Vintage Football Number? Design a numbering scheme for a bunch of vintage football sets together and keep score as to how many of the total cards people have

* Discussions of major auctions going on and what's available from a football perspective

* Discussions on the most difficult sets / cards to obtain

jeff

MONSTER NUMBER (Patent pending) is a proprietary entity developed and managed by yours truly. "The Monster" is a specific reference to the T206 baseball card set. Any tangential reference or dissemination of this term without the express written consent of the owner (frankbmd) is strictly prohibited.

Monsters of the Midway (da Bears) not withstanding, application of this term to a pigskin collection would require appropriate licensing and fees to be determined by the Monster Board of Directors.

My lawyer is ..........

[jefferyepayne]

Hey Frank,

So I don't know you or your sense of humor. Whether this plus the PM you sent me was a joke or a serious message, it's pretty funny and made my day...

jeff

Originally Posted by frankbmd

MONSTER NUMBER (Patent pending) is a proprietary entity developed and managed by yours truly. "The Monster" is a specific reference to the T206 baseball card set. Any tangential reference or dissemination of this term without the express written consent of the owner (frankbmd) is strictly prohited.

Monsters of the Midway (da Bears) not withstanding, application of this term to a pigskin collection would require appropriate licensing and fees to be determined by the Monster Board of Directors.

My lawyer is ..........

[frankbmd]

Accusations of levity and or sarcasm are frequently well founded, but may at times be used as a tool to a make a significant contribution. i would prefer to double space my posts, so that it would be easier to read between the lines. Hopefully I can offer support for the football end of this enterprise, rather than be type cast solely as a Monster Junkie. After all I am an owner of the Green Bay Packers.

[jefferyepayne]

As someone with a lowly Monster Number of 184, I bow down to your baseball cardliness but refuse to bend when it comes to Vintage Football. Go ahead and create a Monster Football Number and let's see who comes out on top.

jeff

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Accusations of levity and or sarcasm are frequently well founded, but may at times be used as a tool to a make a significant contribution. i would prefer to double space my posts, so that it would be easier to read between the lines. Hopefully I can offer support for the football end of this enterprise, rather than be type cast solely as a Monster Junkie. After all I am an owner of the Green Bay Packers.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

As someone with a lowly Monster Number of 184, I bow down to your baseball cardliness but refuse to bend when it comes to Vintage Football. Go ahead and create a Monster Football Number and let's see who comes out on top.

jeff

Established in 1919, nothing represents Vintage Football better than the team from Green Bay. I therefore propose the following Monster Vintage Football Number:

1 points for each vintage Hall of Fame football player (maximum of 9)
10 points for each vintage Green Bay Packer HOFer (maximum of 9)
900 points for a share of Green Bay Packers stock.
1 point for a Curly Lambeau autograph.

-50 points if any of the Hall of Famers above played for Da Bears.

Okay, Jeff, let's see. 900 for the stock, 90 for 9 GB HOFers on the 61 team card, 9 for 9 other HOFers including Thorpe, Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Gifford, Robustelli, Layne, Van Brocklin & Tittle. Ooops, no Lambeau auto. Looks like I'm at 999. What's your MVFN, Jeff?

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Established in 1919, nothing represents Vintage Football better than the team from Green Bay. I therefore propose the following Monster Vintage Football Number:

1 points for each vintage Hall of Fame football player (maximum of 9)
10 points for each vintage Green Bay Packer HOFer (maximum of 9)
900 points for a share of Green Bay Packers stock.
1 point for a Curly Lambeau autograph.

-50 points if any of the Hall of Famers above played for Da Bears.

Okay, Jeff, let's see. 900 for the stock, 90 for 9 GB HOFers on the 61 team card, 9 for 9 other HOFers including Thorpe, Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Gifford, Robustelli, Layne, Van Brocklin & Tittle. Ooops, no Lambeau auto. Looks like I'm at 999. What's your MVFN, Jeff?

Ok, I think we are close to having something here. I would request only one *slight* modification. Since the baseball monster number for each card is given a value based upon its relative worth as compared to the other cards in the set (a very rough approach, I might add), I believe we should adjust your MVFN numbers to account for this. We can probably agree that HOF'ers are all worth 1 point and also Curly Lambeau's auto as you stated but let's talk about the Green Bay Packer stock you own. You see, I looked into purchasing a share of Green Bay Packer stock the last time they offered it to the public and found out something very interesting when I read the stock agreements. THESE SHARE ARE NOT WORTH ANYTHING. Not redeemable, not sellable, not resaleable, not worth a nickel and explicitly set up to never be of any value. So to be fair, after consultation with my crack accountant, he calculates that the MVFN number for a share of Green Bay Packer stock should be assigned the value zero, the same exact value that one would assign to a Ryan Leaf rookie card.

Ready to play?

jeff