Was I Shilled??

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

shilling is a strong word...the seller had a "hidden reserve" placed.

if the price is still good go through with it, if not complain to ebay.

+1

I have never cared about shilling because I have never paid a certain price for something that I wasn't comfortable paying. Shilling = hidden reserve. Sneaky and illegal and fraudulent? Yes. But I try to not get upset by it.

[D. Bergin]

Based on the auctions they've had ended in the past week and the bidding history of that bidder. It looks like most of those other bids were for "Buy It Nows".

Seems odd to jump to the conclusion of shilling based on a single auction, just because it's a new bidder.

I always thought it strange the mentality that everybody who bids in Ebay auctions is going to evenly spread out their bids between multiple sellers, within a 30 day window.

[tbob]

I don't think you were shilled. It looks like the auction was at less than $500 as it wound down and 5 or 6 bidders had snipe bids which all kicked in at once, within a second or two of each other, which drove the price up. I don't see the "shilling" pattern I have seen with other cards.

[Donscards]

Sure looks funny to me---Underbidder has 0 feedback and if he didnt bid, you would have won the auction for under $1500 instead of $2175---I would watch the underbidder and see what he bids on next---but too late now on this auction---Still a nice piece. Don

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Donscards

Sure looks funny to me---Underbidder has 0 feedback and if he didnt bid, you would have won the auction for under $1500 instead of $2175---I would watch the underbidder and see what he bids on next---but too late now on this auction---Still a nice piece. Don

The final 6 bids were snipes placed in the last 10 seconds of the auction by different bidders.

There's no telling how many snipes in that time span didn't even register because of the leap in bidding and the timing of the snipes.

[danmckee]

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

Well I guess I'm an idiot. Thanks man.

Looks like they were shilling "Buy It Now" auctions. Guess the shiller must be even stupider then me.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Looks like they were shilling "Buy It Now" auctions. Guess the shiller must be even stupider then me.

How can you see who the buyer was who won a Buy it Now auction? Obviously you can see it when they leave feedback, but until then there isn't any way of knowing, is there? I just checked the seller's feedback and he hasn't received any feedback from a zero level buyer all year.

[glchen]

Easier to "shill" BIN's because then the shiller/seller can just have one big Nonpayment case for stuff that wasn't selling anyway as opposed to auction items that were getting real bids.

Saying that, I believe the final price of the lot was very reasonable.

[Matthew H]

I'm actually leaning towards not shill... Why would someone snipe a shill bid? Doesn't really make sense..

Also I believe dave is right about all the BIN's, Why would he purchase his own BINs? That just adds suspicion I think.

His second bid of 461 is odd, what's the point of shilling $10 on a lot like this, $2150 is also a weird shill number. I'd be more suspicious if his final bid was 2k. $2150 seem more like a number from a guy that wants to pay a max of 2k but doesn't want to lose the lot over an extra hundred.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that. 0% bidder with 100% of the time bidding with just that seller. Blatant shill. No newbe registers and then bids 19 times with just one seller on different items.

Thanks Dan, appreciate the kind words....

[danmckee]

Sorry Tbob. this one seems obvious

A snipe on a shill ensures your minimum bid

easy call here, sorry

blatant shill!

[rainier2004]

Looks like a shill to me...I guess kudos to those of you that doesnt bother, but at this point Im tired of ANY dishonest activity including shilling in the hobby and shilling is dishonest. If you have a reserve then why not just do a BIN? Those other final bids in the last few seconds didnt get over $1415...thats an additional $700+ based on a single 0-feedback bidder w/ 100% activity with one guy. I know other snipes may have been washed away but smells like BS to me. - Steve Suckow

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by danmckee

blatant shill, only an idiot can't see that.

like and agree

[calvindog]

I haven't bothered to read this whole thread because frankly I'm stunned that there could possibly be so many opinions on this one. If you cannot see a shill bidding scenario here, with all respect, you are a fu&$@g idiot.

[botn]

Originally Posted by tbob

I don't think you were shilled. It looks like the auction was at less than $500 as it wound down and 5 or 6 bidders had snipe bids which all kicked in at once, within a second or two of each other, which drove the price up. I don't see the "shilling" pattern I have seen with other cards.

I don't follow the logic at all. Seems pretty obvious to me the bidding pattern of the 0 feedback bidder constitutes a shill.