Honus wagner in rea

[olrac44]

Originally Posted by 97manoftroy

I was thinking the same thing.
Are 3 One Million Dollar plus sales in a row possible?

Not sure if ML's wagner will get to $1M since it's been available for less than that recently.

[glchen]

I have no idea how the Memory Lane Wagner got a 2 from PSA. That's a POOR at best: Link. It's like there's a different grading scale for Wagners.

[prewarsports]

Gary

I dont often agree that 3rd parties overgrade because I generally use the pre-slabbing standards but I agree with you that Wagner is overgraded, even in the 1970's that was a fair condition card at best!

Rhys

[bijoem]

with a card like this - does the number on the flip, or the lack of a qualifier even matter? Having a number matters (as opposed to an authentic or altered)

I'm thinking the number in this case and the lack of qualifier doesn't matter at all.

The bidders will be able to see the front and back of the card - -
and quite frankly, the bidders' opinion means a heck of a lot more than the grader's opinion on this card.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Gary

I dont often agree that 3rd parties overgrade because I generally use the pre-slabbing standards but I agree with you that Wagner is overgraded, even in the 1970's that was a fair condition card at best!

Rhys

Personally, I think it was the "Wagner" mystique that kept this out of the Poor-Fair conditioned category.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Personally, I think it was the "Wagner" mystique that kept this out of the Poor-Fair conditioned category.

Yes, but PSA and SGC always try to do their best to grade honestly and accurately, as with the Piedmont 150 Plank. Surely they are aware of the "Wagner" mystique and would be careful not to be influenced by it when grading.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Yes, but PSA and SGC always try to do their best to grade honestly and accurately, as with the Piedmont 150 Plank. Surely they are aware of the "Wagner" mystique and would be careful not to be influenced by it when grading.

How often have you put the current Piedmont Plank under magnification or held it in your hand? All of the drivel in the world isn't holding the value back either.....and it shouldn't. I trust SGC got that card right.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

How often have you put the current Piedmont Plank under magnification or held it in your hand? All of the drivel in the world isn't holding the value back either.....and it shouldn't. I trust SGC got that card right.

The same number of times that you have.

I'm sure you meant to type 'dissenting opinion', but accidentally typed 'drivel'

As far as 'dissenting opinion' not holding back value, the first grading company was created precisely to 'create value'. Since then, 'creating value' has continued to be a feature of such companies. The SGC Plank aside, if two people owned the Wagner in question, each sent it to be graded, and one grading company gave it the grade that you just said you think it should have gotten, and the other gave it the grade that it is currently slabbed with, which one is 'worth' more? ...value has obviously been created.

Same goes for an 'authentic' Plank, vs the SGC-graded Plank - if it is in fact a hand-cut card that simply has 100 years of age added via normal wear, value has been created by that slab, regardless of whether or not we think they got it right.

I think this is just good-natured discussion. I still agree that if they were going to slab the Plank, based on their criteria for assigning grades, they had to give it a number.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Yes, but PSA and SGC always try to do their best to grade honestly and accurately, as with the Piedmont 150 Plank. Surely they are aware of the "Wagner" mystique and would be careful not to be influenced by it when grading.

Um.... I think you meant that SGC always tries.

[travrosty]

its creased all to heck and its not a 1?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by travrosty

its creased all to heck and its not a 1?

There's no way a Heinie Wagner in the same condition comes back a 2... just sayin'.