Could PSA really authentic this ball?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by baseballart

As someone who doesn't buy autographs, I'm only posting this out of my own ignorance and curiosity. A number of times in various threads it has been said the posters' motives are self-serving but no one explains why their motives are self-serving. I may be incredibly dense on this, but how are their motives self-serving?

Thanks

Max

Self-serving, because they have a vendetta against the respected/established authentication companies. Each of these posts furthers their ultimate mission (which is to bring down the 2 big authentication companies).

Virtually every post these individuals make contains the same exact message. You can predict in advance of reading the post, that they will be bashing PSA or Spence (and not one of the criminally-intent forgery outfits). You can predict the subject matter and person's stance, simply by seeing the name of the poster. The content of the posts has become redundant and almost irrelevant. Not sure about the origin for these hostilities, but I assume it's because PSA and/or Spence rejected their highly prized / high-valued items at some point.

[travrosty]

But we don't these type of protests against someone who only posts coaches corner or morales items. Why?

Isn't that self serving also?

Maybe the people who don't like psa or jsa items shown are those with a lot of psa or jsa certs and don't want those certs to become worthless.

The other side of the coin is just as interesting, but only one side gets criticized for focusing ONLY on one group. the other side is free to go after only one group all day long. Probably because nobody here owns any coaches corner/morales items and they don't have anything to lose.

Whenever a coaches corner or morales thread opens up, i never see protests. I take it you don't feel the same way about our friend chris williams when he mentions morales, coaches corner and others but NEVER psa or jsa. why isn't he guilty of the same transgressions? Why don't you take him to task.

I don't take him to task for it because he is free to post what he wants, but so am I, and the notion that for every one psa or jsa I must show one of something else is absurd.

When I see a CC or Morales thread, I don't protest, it's fine if someone wants to criticize coaches corner or morales, but mention psa or jsa in a thread, then hell breaks loose and it's called bashing.

There are sacred cows and for good reasons I guess, too much money at stake. I don't anything tied up into any certs from any side. I am the impartial third party.

I have never made a cent authenticating and I have no certs (stock) to rise or fall based on the performance of any authentication company.

Again, why is it self serving, how have i served myself when I have made nothing off of it?

it is just that you like psa and jsa and you don't like people showing their mistakes. that's all it is. so shoot the messenger.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Not sure about the origin for these hostilities, but I assume it's because PSA and/or Spence rejected their highly prized / high-valued items at some point.

Hmmm...
Perhaps it's because PSA and/or Spence authenticated their actually forged, now worthless items at some point.

[perezfan]

Can't blame you for being pissed off at them... I would be too. Regarding the '27 Yankee Ball, I believe that the Spence LOA was executed pretty much during his "infancy period" (when he was still a one-man show). Is that right? I dont think there's much chance it would have passed, knowing what they know today. Apparently (and unfortunately) it fooled a lot of smart people at the time...

To Travis' point, the CC threads also get monotonous, and there have been numerous valid complaints about their frequency and redundancy.

The reason that there is more of a backlash against attacking the "Big Two" is (IMO) two-fold...

1. They get it right well over 90% of the time. Their mistakes are typically honest mistakes. Granted, there may be some dumb ones and brain-lapses, but there is not the criminal intent (which cannot be said for the "other guys").

2. To go after the honest faction of authenticators hurts the hobby long-term. If new collectors are shying away from this endless negativity, the autograph collecting world will shrink and fizzle. Not good for any of the parties reading this...

Yes- they do make mistakes. It's the nature of those mistakes that differentiates the two.

[travrosty]

We went over this 100 times, the two things are not the same, not related in any way.

you don't like it if i am critical of psa and jsa, but so what?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by travrosty

We went over this 100 times, the two things are not the same, not related in any way.

you don't like it if i am critical of psa and jsa, but so what?

Back to the original point Leon made, which initially compelled me to chime in... It's bad press for the hobby, it drives away new collectors, and it jeopardizes its future.

You obviously have some valid points, but beating it to death (and publicizing only their errors) is skewing people's perceptions + casting a negative light on an otherwise great hobby.

This is a no-win situation... nobody's opinion is going to change, so I'm done with this pointless bickering. You are quite astute, and I really liked the thread you started about where to hold the National Convention. How about more threads like that (and other varied topics?)

[shelly]

I think that the one point that everyone is missing is that Heritage should not be allowed to post pre certed items if they are not looked at by PSA or even their own staff. I know and so do the rest of you on this site that if that ball had been looked at by anyone with a half a brain they would know it was a forgery.
Why would you sell a ball to someone who then sends it in to get authenticated only to find out that they have spent $75 on a piece of garbage. Will Heritage refund the money for the full authentication? People here have wondered why Heritage would do something like this. They do $700,000,000 in business. Well that is the 24 dollar question. Why would you hurt your reputation for so little money.There is no way this makes any sense for Heritage. Yet they have been doing it for a long time. It is time for this to stop. Leon, you can help make this happen. No one on here is saying Heritage is a bad company. What they are saying is they are making a bad mistake by doing this. This also goes for PSA. You just don't hand out certs without looking at what the item is. Those who post these bad pieces are not hurting the hobby they are trying to protect it.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

I think that the one point that everyone is missing is that Heritage should not be allowed to post pre certed items if they are not looked at by PSA or even their own staff. I know and so do the rest of you on this site that if that ball had been looked at by anyone with a half a brain they would know it was a forgery.
Why would you sell a ball to someone who then sends it in to get authenticated only to find out that they have spent $75 on a piece of garbage. Will Heritage refund the money for the full authentication? People here have wondered why Heritage would do something like this. They do $700,000,000 in business. Well that is the 24 dollar question. Why would you hurt your reputation for so little money.There is no way this makes any sense for Heritage. Yet they have been doing it for a long time. It is time for this to stop. Leon, you can help make this happen. No one on here is saying Heritage is a bad company. What they are saying is they are making a bad mistake by doing this. This also goes for PSA. You just don't hand out certs without looking at what the item is. Those who post these bad pieces are not hurting the hobby they are trying to protect it.

amen,

just trying to help the whole hobby which includes the buyers as well as the sellers.