Poll: Is this Cobb legit, or is it a "rotten peach"?

smotan_02 · #1 03-28-2012, 11:42 AM

Your poll is drastically skewed. Everything from your title to the verbiage in your post shows where you stand on this autograph. You further muddy the water by posting your "detective" work. If you wanted to truly know what people thought of the auto, you would have just posted the two pictures and asked people's opinion. Instead, you are trying to get "data" to show the board "I was right, I called it, look at me."

If you need academic jargon to show my point, google "experimenter bias"

I was interested in autograph collecting for a short period, but the vileness of the auto collectors that I see post here has completely cured me of that insanity.

travrosty · #2 03-28-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by smotan_02

Your poll is drastically skewed. Everything from your title to the verbiage in your post shows where you stand on this autograph. You further muddy the water by posting your "detective" work. If you wanted to truly know what people thought of the auto, you would have just posted the two pictures and asked people's opinion. Instead, you are trying to get "data" to show the board "I was right, I called it, look at me."

If you need academic jargon to show my point, google "experimenter bias"

I was interested in autograph collecting for a short period, but the vileness of the auto collectors that I see post here has completely cured me of that insanity.

i have just posted the owners comment on the cobb too, so it is fair and people can make up their own mind.

my opinion carries no more weight than his. This isn't a scientific poll, it's not a scientific experiment, it's an opinion poll, and people have eyes and can compare for themselves and make up their own mind.

keithsky · #3 03-28-2012, 11:56 AM

I agree with Smotan 02. Why is this talked about again. Let it go till Donovan finds out his finding then we can all talk about again which I'm sure will happen.

chaddurbin · #4 03-28-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by smotan_02

I was interested in autograph collecting for a short period, but the vileness of the auto collectors that I see post here has completely cured me of that insanity.

same...i'm going back to enjoying my steve avery jim abbott and gregg jefferies autos. if they're fake i'm out a lunch, but faking those guys would be like reprinting the '87 topps set.

drc · #5 03-28-2012, 12:53 PM

I don't think Jim Abbott and Steve Avery would cover the tip.

Runscott · #6 03-28-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smotan_02

I was interested in autograph collecting for a short period, but the vileness of the auto collectors that I see post here has completely cured me of that insanity.

I remember watching women go after beany babies around Christmas. Now, that was vileness.

smotan_02 · #7 03-28-2012, 01:29 PM

I'm amazed that no one has discussed that this could be the same auto. That would explain a lot.

travrosty · #8 03-28-2012, 07:03 PM

so far 2/3 think replication, 1/3 not sure, but no one agrees with the owner that it is a different autograph. Probably because there are no differences to the naked eye.

drc · #9 03-28-2012, 07:10 PM

What's the value in a poll anyway?

batsballsbases · #10 03-28-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by drc

What's the value in a poll anyway?

Ego Boost!

David Atkatz · #11 03-28-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smotan_02

I'm amazed that no one has discussed that this could be the same auto. That would explain a lot.

That would explain a lot. If it were true.

It's not.

I''s patently clear that the slabbed auto is a copy--probably a print of a scan--of the 3x5. Identical--and I mean identical--form, but a bit of detail lost in the duplicating process.

An authenticator screw-up, plain and simple.

HRBAKER · #12 03-28-2012, 07:26 PM

The poll is irrelevant, the slabbed example "seems" to clearly be a copy of the 3x5 of some sort, IMO.

perezfan · #13 03-28-2012, 07:28 PM

Agree.... no doubt that it's a blatant reproduction.

HexsHeroes · #14 03-29-2012, 09:30 AM

.

. . . and having more time to kill than I should, I imported both Cobb autographs (Ron Keurajian's & donovan's) into an Excel spreadsheet. I oriented both autographs to exactly the same plane, and sized both to the same height and length specs. Then I placed donovan's example directly below Keurajian's, so that the beginning and end of both signatures were on the same vertical planes. I then copied the image of donovan's example, and pasted it to the right of Keurajian's (both on the same horizontal planes).

Then, using perfectly vertical lines that extended over both top & bottom examples, I touched over 25 common points. And the contact points one just about every single vertical line matched on the two signatures. So obviously, one was a reproduced copy of the other, right? I mean, no ones signature matches exactly (especially nearly 25 different contact points). So it would seem plausible that use of perfectly horizontal lines over both sigatures should produce the same common contact points, right?

Well, that's what I expected, but that's not what happened. Of the twenty five horizontal lines, only six contact points matched exactly. And there were a number of obvious misses.

So how could so many vertical contacts match, but not horizontal contacts?

If I get a chance, I'll try to post an image of my "experiment".

I personally don't know, but hazard to guess that the technologies used to create the two source images may not create perfectly true representations.

Anyone else have an idea ?

batsballsbases · #15 03-28-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smotan_02

Your poll is drastically skewed. Everything from your title to the verbiage in your post shows where you stand on this autograph. You further muddy the water by posting your "detective" work. If you wanted to truly know what people thought of the auto, you would have just posted the two pictures and asked people's opinion. Instead, you are trying to get "data" to show the board "I was right, I called it, look at me."

If you need academic jargon to show my point, google "experimenter bias"

I was interested in autograph collecting for a short period, but the vileness of the auto collectors that I see post here has completely cured me of that insanity.

Couldnt have said it better myself! Take 2 100+ out of petty cash!

View Poll Results: What do you think of this PSA slabbed Ty Cobb signature?
It is an exact replication of Ron K's Ty Cobb autograph	43	75.44%
It is a very similar, but totally different autograph as the owner has claimed	5	8.77%
Undecided	9	15.79%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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