Could PSA really authentic this ball?

[travrosty]

they knew about this problem for over 7 months and did nothing.

They don't think it is a problem, and THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

who cares how much they sell? so if they sell a lot they can get away with it?
that's not an excuse.

my whole point all this time is that it is wrong for them to do that. they don't think it is wrong. You must not think it is wrong to say something that isn't so. but i do.

If it is wrong, then fix it.

because they did so much in sales, that is precisely the point, they think anybody that brings something up like this is small potatoes so lets just ignore it. only when it hit haulsofshame and deadspin and was tagged by usa today did it get big enough for this 700 million dollar company to take notice and decide they might want to do something about it?

It's real hard to get huge companies to respond to legitimate concerns, for just that reason. they think they are too big to fail, so when i initially brought it up, you should have seen the condescending email i got. basically telling me i know nothing about how auction houses work and i should just go away.

I might not know how big auction houses work, but i know how they should work.

i will let heritage respond now. i am sure their defense for this practice is forthcoming.

it's not just preview items, its item taking live bids. why is that hard to understand that it isn't right to put an authentication tag on an item if it doesnt have it yet?

this isnt a new problem that is a simple mistake. They knew about it for months and did nothing.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by travrosty

who cares how much they sell? so if they sell a lot they can get away with it?

Get away with what?

Well, my issue was not to point out how much money they make, but to point how much they would risk losing if they were in the business of defrauding people for a few hundred dollars.

Now, I'm not naive at all about corporate greed in America, and we all know that there are examples of filthy rich companies in every field committing fraud, especially in Wall Street, but I just don't believe this is the case here.

Nor do I believe that the motives of the accusers in these types of threads, are to save the collecting public from the greedy big auction houses and/or TPA's. In my opinion, their motives are self-serving, and I for one, am insulted with their non-stop barrage of propaganda and exaggerated analaogies. Jimmy Catanzaro

[GrayGhost]

Well, this seems to be more prevalent lately. You can not mislead people , who apparently would think they are getting genuine items, with this pre certification poop. This is especially true of "naive bidders" who see those PSA o JSA letters and without totally understanding this "Pre cert " Concept, think they are going to bid on something real.

This is just another problem it seems w this part of the Hobby. Pretty discouraging, Id say..

Scott Roberts

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Get away with what?

Well, my issue was not to point out how much money they make, but to point how much they would risk losing if they were in the business of defrauding people for a few hundred dollars.

Now, I'm not naive at all about corporate greed in America, and we all know that there are examples of filthy rich companies in every field committing fraud, especially in Wall Street, but I just don't believe this is the case here.

Nor do I believe that the motives of the accusers in these types of threads, are to save the collecting public from the greedy big auction houses and/or TPA's. In my opinion, their motives are self-serving, and I for one, am insulted with their non-stop barrage of propaganda and exaggerated analaogies. Jimmy Catanzaro

I agree with you, Jimmy. I, too, do not believe "That the motives of the accusers in these types of threads, are to save the collecting public from the greedy big auction houses and/or TPA's."

If Travis really cared about the "collecting public," why didn't we hear his outcry about a auction house owner who outed the high bidder of a Walter Johnson signed photo in an attempt to convince everyone that the Walter Johnson signed photo that the auction owner certed was authentic. When someone questioned the authenticity of that Walter Johnson signed photo, the auction owner publicly informed everyone who the high bidder was to convince everyone that the Walter Johnson signed photo was authentic. And even though the website where the auction owner outed the high bidder is now as dead as Julius Caesar (the website went the way of AutographAlert), I saved the screenshots of those comments written by the auction owner.

Where was your criticism of that auction owner when he did that, Travis?