Could PSA really authentic this ball?

[Exhibitman]

What does "precertification" mean in this context? How is that different than a full LOA? Is it the same as an "auction LOA" that is handed out in some auctions?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

What does "precertification" mean in this context? How is that different than a full LOA? Is it the same as an "auction LOA" that is handed out in some auctions?

psa doesnt do auction loa's anymore, jsa still does,

they claimed an auction loa is a preliminary review and didnt get the full inspection that a full loa item does.

now psa switched its terminology to pre-certification, and they state that the item WILL get a full loa if submitted to them, guaranteed. so evidently they inspected the item fully like they do for the full loa items, only nobody can figure out how their full inspection process for this pre-certification differs from their process they used for an auction loa and even a bid auction house couldn't tell us when we asked. They didn't say "I don't know" but jsut went about in platitudes and circular logic hoping we would get tired and quit asking.

[Vintagedegu]

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[Big Dave]

Heritage must read this site every day. Two lots that were total bs, or is that ps, were withdraw after the more knowledgeable people on this site informed the public and Heritage, that they are peddling garbage, and PSA/DNA is certifying garbage.

Heritage should just have their items vetted here. It would be more accurate, and they wouldn't have to keep withdrawing these PSA/DNA certified garbage lots.

Hey Heritage, .......come on downnnnnnn!

[RichardSimon]

That's two balls into the cornfield today.

[travrosty]

They want the collecting public to do their job for them, and the authentication company's job, they should be embarassed, and these items will keep getting pointed out until they stop doing this.

Like someone says, these items are like a whac-a-mole, you point one out and another one pops up.

Richard, you will never get your account back, it would require an admission on their part, and then don't think they are doing anything wrong.

so did psa give these two items a pre-certification or not? They said they did.

[Leon]

I need to preface this by stating the obvious that Heritage is an advertiser here and I do consider most of their Sports group to be good hobby friends. Actually, several I would consider very good hobby friends, Chris Ivy included.

Now that being said I can honestly say that I feel Chris and Heritage are as honest as the day is long. There is 0 doubt in my mind they will stand behind whatever they do. With thousands and thousands of items auctioned each year they are bound to make a few mistakes. I am sure those few mistakes are handled professionally and swiftly. I believe some Heritage guys probably do read this board every day, along with several thousand other people. If something is pointed out on the board I am sure they usually look into it. Chris is a smart guy and I would expect no less. I can't say I agree with Chris on every single thing but I would trust him and his company 100%. He has some of the best hobbyists in the industry on staff too. If two baseballs got pulled then I think that is a good thing, if they were iffy or outright not good. Heritage Auctions is a great company and I am proud to have them as a sponsor/advertiser on the site. I look forward to bidding in their future auctions.

[travrosty]

Then why don't they explain what is going on? This isn't a mistake, they know what they are doing. These weekly internet auctions have these 'precerts when there are not precerts' being listed constantly, then they take bids and mysteriously some of the auctions disappear, maybe when psa actually gets around to looking at the items. The bids are cancelled.

How would you like to bid on something that says PSA precertification and then POOF! Your bid is cancelled because they decided they might want to get around to authenticating it now.

I CAN'T bid in their future auctions, and neither can Richard because we have the gall to point out this glaring problem that they can't fix or explain what is going on?

How did these two items that were allowed to take bids get precerts from PSA?

We saw the same live-bid-items with auction loa's previously, namely an operation bullpen Muhammad Ali glove, and two operation bullpen Muhammad Ali autographed Ali/Chamberlain posters, plus I have seen numerous others, a horrible Manny Pacquiao glove, along with some other boxing items, they had JSA auction LOA's, or did they?

If they knew they were listing precerts or auction LOA's for live items and taking bids 7 MONTHS AGO when I pointed them out, and they are still doing it, would they care to explain why - when all they have said in the past is that it was a preview item that was not for sale and would never see a live sale so no big deal?

These items are getting bids, and they say precertification from PSA/DNA. Is that the truth or not? How about PSA explaining if they think it's okay that their precertification is listed with these items?

I don't get why there are sacred cows that can't be questioned without the person bringing it up being the bad guy, bidding account cancelled, suspended and banned?

It's important that Chris Ivy explain why he said that preview items that weren't receiving bids were the only items that had this designation of auction loa or precerts when it is clear that items up for bid seem to have this same affliction. Why can't he admit it that items up for bid have this same problem?

Would admitting it be the same as saying that the article on deadspin was hitiing too close to home, that they offer items up for bid with this same designation of precerts when there really isn't precerts.

All the collectors want is answers. We have none.