Triple Crown ball with clubhouse sigs?? What??

[steve B]

I would like to think they would, but if it's changed hands a few times something like that backstory could have been ignored and isn't known now.


But yes, very unlikely. From what I recall neither guy was all that approachable in the late 70's early 80's.

How well do the Williams and Yaz line up with known actual ghost signed items? I'd think that with enough examples an actual clubhouse sig could be told from an outright fake? (Maybe I've got the wrong terms? How to indicate a fake recieved through legit channels like TTM and one meant purely to decieve?)

Steve B

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Steve - certainly a highly unlikely scenario but not impossible. But don't you think if that was the case the auction house(s) would have used that scenario to describe this ball??

[J.McMurry]

I think it's time for PSA to unveil phase 2 of their master plan,...

The Pre-Pre-Certification !!!!!!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by J.McMurry

I think it's time for PSA to unveil phase 2 of their master plan,...

The Pre-Pre-Certification !!!!!!

We asked an auction house that used 'auction loa' and now 'precertification' just what that meant and how it was administered, and they couldn't tell us.

They kept going around in a circle, using generalities and we couldn't get a straight answer from them just how the authentication company 'authenticates' anything using an auction loa or precertification. And why the need to have the customer pay again to send it in and get the "real cert", the one that proves it is really real.

The auction house wants to sell the item with the auction loa or precertification so they can assure the customer that they are getting something that has been thoroughly checked out. Looks like it is not the case in many circumstances. The auction loa was described as a preliminary review, not going through the full rigorous inspection of the full LOA. Well, if that is the case, then it's worthless in my opinion.

The pre-certification is suppose to be the same as an LOA, it is guaranteed to pass 100%. But you don't get the piece of paper, you have to pay extra for it. But we couldn't figure out just how the pre-certification process differs from the 'auction loa'?

That's customer service for you.

I am working on an authentication customer bill of rights, that will be adopted by none of these companies, but it is important to show them what the customer deserves as opposed to what they are getting now.

[Wymers Auction]

They have exemplars of all the bat boys and it is authenticated that way. It is an authentic clubhouse signature.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

They have exemplars of all the bat boys and it is authenticated that way. It is an authentic clubhouse signature.

Wha??????

This ball that we are talking about was signed years after Ted Williams playing days. The signature bears ZERO resemblance to the Williams signed baseballs that I have seen from his playing days with a clubhouse signature.
I can understand PSA having exemplars of Ted Williams clubhouse signatures from his playing days but a clubhouse signature allegedly signed, years after he retired??? And they have exemplars of that? I find that amazing.
And how do you substantiate that it is authenticated that way? If it is a pre-cert, as far as I know, there is no detailed info about the item on a pre-cert.
There was no such information, if my memory is correct, on their auction certs. which are supposedly the same as a pre-cert.

[travrosty]

clubhouse sounds better than not authentic which sounds better than fake.


I thought a clubhouse signature would have to be signed in or near an actual clubhouse. Just where is the clubhouse for these signatures? In the cornfield in Iowa?

If you sign it they will come.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

clubhouse sounds better than not authentic which sounds better than fake.


I thought a clubhouse signature would have to be signed in or near an actual clubhouse. Just where is the clubhouse for these signatures? In the cornfield in Iowa?

If you sign it they will come.

The cornfield in Iowa, son of a gun, now I know where so many of those CC autographs come from .