HOF RC Boxing List - WTB and looking for suggestions

novakjr · #1 03-26-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by miklia

I started with the Heavyweight champions list, and have been adding from there with 'key' cards and 'key' boxers with help. Any additional suggestions would be much appreciated, as I am the first to admit that my knowledge of 'golden age' boxing is weak. Want to try to cap this list at maybe 40-50 tops.

A while back I was thinking about starting with the HWT Champs list for my collection, but looking at the list on Wiki only pissed me off. So I decided to just pick a couple of sets to work on at a time instead.. The Championships almost seem to be arbitrary at times, and these federations just do whatever the hell they want with the belts.. Especially the WBA. This "Super Champ" mess seems ridiculous...Basically, if their champ also holds the belt in another organization, he is upgraded to "Super Champ", and then the "regular championship" is made available again.. I just don't get how you could justifiably consider the "regular champ" to be a champ, if there is someone else who never lost it, and is STILL considered a champ within the organization...Just a BETTER Champ???

D. Bergin · #2 03-26-2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

A while back I was thinking about starting with the HWT Champs list for my collection, but looking at the list on Wiki only pissed me off. So I decided to just pick a couple of sets to work on at a time instead.. The Championships almost seem to be arbitrary at times, and these federations just do whatever the hell they want with the belts.. Especially the WBA. This "Super Champ" mess seems ridiculous...Basically, if their champ also holds the belt in another organization, he is upgraded to "Super Champ", and then the "regular championship" is made available again.. I just don't get how you could justifiably consider the "regular champ" to be a champ, if there is someone else who never lost it, and is STILL considered a champ within the organization...Just a BETTER Champ???

I would just ignore the sanctioning bodies and try to follow a more lineal route, once the titles start getting really muddled with sanctioning body nonsense.

Even then it does get a bit hazy after Lennox Lewis vacates the title.

Which Klitschko brother do you collect? Might as well grab both I'd say.

Exhibitman · #3 03-26-2012, 02:33 PM

That's what I did, Dave. I skipped all the alphabet-sanctioned cheese champions and went straight from Lewis to the K-men. Looks like that may hold me another ten years at the rate things are going in that division...

oldmanvintagecards · #4 01-11-2013, 11:00 AM

I am new to this board and this thread is the reason I joined. I am always looking for the true rookies of star athletes and have really got in to boxing cards over the last year or so. I do have a couple of cards that I consider the True Rookies of Hall of Fame Boxers. The first is the 1920 Juncosa Chocolates (Spain) Jack Dempsey. It is much more rare than the strip cards and was factory cut. It also predates the Champions card by 2 years. The second is a 1964 Nestle Los Juegos Olimpicos (Spain) Joe Frazier card. It predates his 1967 Panini by 3 years. Also, would any of you consider postcards to be rookie cards because there are quite a few postcards that predate the rookie cards you have listed?

-Tom

HasselhoffsCheeseburger · #5 01-14-2013, 05:37 PM

Hi Tom, the Juncosa is not a 1920 release. My best guess would be 1924-1926. I believe they even reference the Carpentier fight on the back.

Exhibitman · #6 01-15-2013, 06:55 AM

You answered your own question: if there are quite a few cards predating the ostensible rookie you can only call the card a rookie if you ignore the other issues, and then what's the point? A lot of PCs are ACC-listed and are treated by many as rookies [like that early Cobb PC that's gotten so much action lately] so if you are going to expand the rookie thing to cover a card that was never issued in the USA, why not a PC?

oldmanvintagecards · #7 01-15-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

Hi Tom, the Juncosa is not a 1920 release. My best guess would be 1924-1926. I believe they even reference the Carpentier fight on the back.

That is actually what I thought because I noticed that it does mention the Carpentier fight on the back. How often are the grading companies so wrong about the dates of boxing cards because I have now purchased 2 cards that I thought were rookie cards because of PSA incorrectly dating them. The first was the 1935, which isnt from 1935, United Tobacco Company Joe Louis and now the Juncosa Dempsey which PSA grades as 1920 even while it talks about a fight that happened in 1921 on the back. This is really frustrating coming from a company like PSA. I guess you cant just trust the.most respected grading.company to do their job properly and not guess.

Exhibitman · #8 01-16-2013, 04:12 PM

When it comes to the foreign cards, the TPGs more or less follow the lead of whoever cataloged it first. They don't do independent research. Speaking as a cataloger, sometimes it is really difficult to figure out when a card was issued with any degree of accuracy better than within a few years or a decade. Even well-known sets can have revisions, like the 1933 US Caramel set that was listed as a 1932 set until a careful analysis of the biographies on the cards proved that the issue dated to no earlier than March 1933. I can only imagine how hard it was for the oldtimers to figure out things pre-Internet and pre-Google Translate.