Mickey Mantle ball

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

why people ask me (and demand me) to join theirs when i don't need them or ask them to join mine is beyond me

Really? You have not been asking anyone here to "join your crusade"? What then is the purpose of your anti-alphabet postings?

[GrayGhost]

That Cobb is garbage. Man, this gets worse and worse every day. if reliance on Certs is THAT impt, be it from the Alphabets fde's or anyone. is there any end in sight for this?

[travrosty]

it does get worse all the time. I always think it couldnt get any worse, then it does. wheres the exemplars for this thick, sloppy sig with no details?

i just tell the truth as it is, it is too hot for some, but i cant help that.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Really? You have not been asking anyone here to "join your crusade"? What then is the purpose of your anti-alphabet postings?

to inform, they can join me or not, but i don't demand or require they do like others have been requiring me to denounce this or speak out against that, or say this and that. I leave disinterested people alone when it comes to what i am concerned about the most, but there are a few who cannot and will not when it comes to what they are concerned about the most. They require loyalty oaths and of course I do not.

[Bilko G]

The Cobb is interesting and just certified a week ago or so. Im always curious were all these old vintage autographs keep popping up from and have never been certified in the past?

Other than the obvious, i guess there is a ton of really old autograph collections out there that have never seen the light of day??

You would have to think that one day most all authentic, original, vintage and pre war autos will all be certified or nearly certified that very rarely would that many more authentic autos be popping up that haven't already been seen by a 3rd party authenticator.

[GrayGhost]

Its almost like the best way to buy a sig is on your own hunch alone, and maybe you have someone like Richard, Jim Stinson, who to really trust. And Travis, there can't be any exemplars for that mess of a Cobb.

[travrosty]

I would agree, but for 1800 dollars, it can be yours.

Authentication is an unregulated industry and unfortunately over the years it seems to be getting worse and worse, not better. There is no standard rules of conduct or accepted industry standard procedures on how authentication works or is suppose to work, so sometimes you may get an autograph that has been thoroughly checked out and sometimes you might get an autograph that was authenticated 10 minutes before the sports memorabilia show ended on a sunday afternoon. Who the heck knows?

I don't think people want to know or care, most of them anyway. But it won't get better until collectors demand more from their authenticators.

A customer bill of rights would help. i am going to write up a rough draft on what this bill of rights should look like.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I would agree, but for 1800 dollars, it can be yours.

Authentication is an unregulated industry and unfortunately over the years it seems to be getting worse and worse, not better. There is no standard rules of conduct or accepted industry standard procedures on how authentication works or is suppose to work, so sometimes you may get an autograph that has been thoroughly checked out and sometimes you might get an autograph that was authenticated 10 minutes before the sports memorabilia show ended on a sunday afternoon. Who the heck knows?

I don't think people want to know or care, most of them anyway. But it won't get better until collectors demand more from their authenticators.

A customer bill of rights would help. i am going to write up a rough draft on what this bill of rights should look like.

Hey Travis, would this Customer Bill Of Rights pertain to your buddy Todd Mueller?

Would the conduct you're referring to pertain to your buddy Todd Mueller?

[Big Dave]

Why don't people discuss the actual issues involved with this section, instead of defending the people that cert this garbage?

PSA/DNA and JSA have been getting away this garbage for way to long. The others that authenticate get reamed if they cert garbage.

I personally have always had a problem with snow white or slightly blemished balls with nice vintage autographs that that PSA/DNA and JSA cert as real. Opinion or not, there are just to many varieties that do not match, or come close.

Cleaning up means cleaning up, regardless of who gets swept out the door.

[RichardSimon]

Let us agree that the problems are huge.
Whether the problems are incompetency or criminal they won't be easily solved. A Bill of Rights is an idea but without the founding fathers behind it I don't think it has much of a chance.
Haven't there been unsuccessful attempts at things like that before? Collector organizations, dealer organizations, etc. All to no avail.
Hopefully, there will soon be more government intervention. Hopefully, there will soon be more arrests. But even with that happening the problems won't go away. I wish I knew the answer. I wish someone knew the answer.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I would agree, but for 1800 dollars, it can be yours.

The owner of that seriously wants $1800 for it?
Wow,,,
Is it on the bay?

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The owner of that seriously wants $1800 for it?
Wow,,,
Is it on the bay?

yes, its on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ty-Cobb-Sign...item4ab53ec6b3

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I would agree, but for 1800 dollars, it can be yours.

Authentication is an unregulated industry and unfortunately over the years it seems to be getting worse and worse, not better. There is no standard rules of conduct or accepted industry standard procedures on how authentication works or is suppose to work, so sometimes you may get an autograph that has been thoroughly checked out and sometimes you might get an autograph that was authenticated 10 minutes before the sports memorabilia show ended on a sunday afternoon. Who the heck knows?

I don't think people want to know or care, most of them anyway. But it won't get better until collectors demand more from their authenticators.

A customer bill of rights would help. i am going to write up a rough draft on what this bill of rights should look like.

I would agree 100% with this assessment. It's all a cluster F Period!