Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[GrayGhost]

I think Travis' dot thing is a pretty good clincher that it is the same. wow.

[Donavon]

I had a conversation with PSA today. They are going to re-examine the signature. I will let the experts handle this. Heresay & conspiracy theories aside, we will find out for certain.

[chaddurbin]

i will want to hear what psa does if the auto is indeed bad since in the autograph world everybody is standing behind the "it's just an opinion" excuse when something goes wrong.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

I had a conversation with PSA today. They are going to re-examine the signature. I will let the experts handle this. Heresay & conspiracy theories aside, we will find out for certain.

The experts?

Weren't they the ones that slabbed it in the first place?

It's not a conspiracy to show facts like the same marks on the same pieces.

Game over.

please report back with psa's finding, i really am interested in what they have to say, not kidding, i want to know what psa says.

[keithsky]

I don't think I have ever heard or seen in print when PSA or JSA admit they were wrong on authenticating something that wound up being fake. Seems like they don't want that to get out that they were wrong about something. To me it would seem like the right thing to do then more people would know they do make mistakes and it does happen. But they never want to man up about being wrong when someone has proof or points it out.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The experts?

Weren't they the ones that slabbed it in the first place?

It's not a conspiracy to show facts like the same marks on the same pieces.

Game over.

please report back with psa's finding, i really am interested in what they have to say, not kidding, i want to know what psa says.

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

Donavon, send it to TTA or Morales, they for sure would say its real

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Donavon, send it to TTA or Morales, they for sure would say its real

No thanks to TTA, Morales, Coaches Corner, Don Frangipani, Drew Max, GAI, or any other of the "authenticators" promoted by certain people. I feel alot more comfortable with the likes of PSA/DNA & JSA, regardless of how much some people attempt to defame them. Just my personal opinion.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

thats cool, you should send it to them, let's see what they say.

no one has seen a high res scan of yours, its fuzzy, the holder is in the way. if you have a good crisp scan of yours, could you post it?

but c'mon, there is no way that the dots i circled could possibly be in the same spots on both by mere coincidence.

I know you want it to be a different signature, but its just not, its the same one. You have to look at the facts.

PSA doesn't have a boxing expert listed, and they asked me to be their boxing autograph consultant a couple of years ago, I ultimately chose not to, but it's not like I am out in left field here with no qualifications. I still have never seen two signature that are undistinguishable by the unaided human eye match so close like this one that are two different signatures, that is why i would love to see the two similar williams sigs you say you own. No one signs their name exactly the same way twice. And these two are exact.

Just please promise you will post the results, good , bad or otherwise on what psa says. i dont have any money riding on it, so i am not wishing it one way or the other, but i just really want to know what they say.

[travrosty]

good luck to you. i am serious.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

thats cool, you should send it to them, let's see what they say.

no one has seen a high res scan of yours, its fuzzy, the holder is in the way. if you have a good crisp scan of yours, could you post it?

but c'mon, there is no way that the dots i circled could possibly be in the same spots on both by mere coincidence.

I know you want it to be a different signature, but its just not, its the same one. You have to look at the facts.

PSA doesn't have a boxing expert listed, and they asked me to be their boxing autograph consultant a couple of years ago, I ultimately chose not to, but it's not like I am out in left field here with no qualifications. I still have never seen two signature that are undistinguishable by the unaided human eye match so close like this one that are two different signatures, that is why i would love to see the two similar williams sigs you say you got.

Travis,

No one has called you unqualified & I understand your questions. I am also questioning this. That's why the cut is to be re-evaluated. However, after discussing certain things today & having a few things about both autos pointed out to me...... I believe I am right here & that more light will be shed by PSA/DNA when it is re-evaluated. Until then, I will not speculate anymore. I will gladly post what PSA/DNA results I get, as well as pictures of my two Williams' autos. I am not scheduled to return home until the 23rd, but will post those pics the next day.

P.S.- Again.....I will report whatever results PSA/DNA deems on the auto here at Net54, as I believe it is important to both myself & the hobby. No one likes fraud & no one likes to be demonized.

[travrosty]

Just wanted to keep this thread at the top of the list, let us know when you get word back and if you get a chance to post the two williams autos, that would be great too.

travis