Mickey Mantle ball

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by urtzie

that ball from Don does look alot like mine.. wow. somebody is good at signing that name that's for sure. I am taking it to authenticator in a few months along with some other pieces.

I wouldn't waste your cash taking the suspect ball to an authenticator. It is a known forgery style.

There are some general similarities between your ball and the one that Don posted because that's what forgers do -- try to make it look like the real deal.

Here are some key flaws in your ball: the right side of the second M flares to the right at an unnatural angle, pointy top Ms, the "tle" "falls off" the signature, and if you look closely the loops under the Ms are slowly drawn with a hint of hesitation. The loops under the Ms in Don's exemplar are as smooth as glass.

[RichardSimon]

Save your money urtzie,,, the ball is fugly.
And yes, you are correct,to the untrained eye the ball from Don does look like yours in some respects.
Forgers practice their "craft", that is why so many get fooled.
It is not like you yourself picked up a pen and it would be easy to see an amateur try to forge Mantle's autograph. It does not work that way. These guys have some skill ranging from minimal to quite a bit of skill.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Don's ball is 100% authentic. Urtzie's Mantle ball isn't close to Don's.

That particular Mantle forgery with the "536 HR" inscription still makes the rounds (and gets removed) on Ebay and other websites.

[urtzie]

Thanks for the help.... I really appreciate it!

[urtzie]

thanks for all the help. If an item comes with JSA/PSA is that a decent guarantee that the ball is real?

[Taxman]

The "a" and "n" are way off...Trust but verify with a third party. Good Luck

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by urtzie

thanks for all the help. If an item comes with JSA/PSA is that a decent guarantee that the ball is real?

I suggest you read some of the other threads on this board.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I suggest you read some of the other threads on this board.

That being said..... about JSA/PSA mistake after horrid mistake being pointed out here. Although they are whipping boys too, I have rarely if EVER seen a Mickey Mantle with either of their certification that I have questioned. You do see them from time to time and wonder what they saw that you missed?

Let me use an Analogy for you that some like to use.....

You will almost NEVER SEE an AUTHENTIC MICKEY MANTLE with a Chris MORAL LESS Cert and you will almost NEVER SEE a FAKE with a PSA/JSA certification. I hope that helps where Mantle is concerned.

[urtzie]

The guy I bought this ball from is guaranteeing authenticity and claims if I send it off and if fails he will refund my money. I am sending to PSA for authentication... both the Mantle and Williams. He is 100% denying fake but we shall see. I told him some knowledgeable folks don't agree. thanks for all the help and I will let you knwo where it ends up.

Mark

[thetruthisoutthere]

Will the seller also refund your authentication fees?

[Donscards]

This site is great---You really have some knowledgeable people on here--I was checking my Mantle ball vs the other Mantle ball on here--and do see the differences that were pointed out---I have a few other Mantle auto's and all very certified by JSA---but it is always good to see the flow of the pen with no stoppage.--Keep up the good work guys---Don

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Don's ball is 100% authentic. Urtzie's Mantle ball isn't close to Don's.

That particular Mantle forgery with the "536 HR" inscription still makes the rounds (and gets removed) on Ebay and other websites.

I would agree... for someone who has spent 1000's of hours looking at Mantle's...it's easy to see. He's the only guy I can do that with. I'm a one trick pony.

What you have there is called a "Shakey Shantle". I hope this helps.

[BrandonG]

Here is my Mantle. I've had it for about 8 years and purchased it before I knew ANYTHING about autographs. Now I'm nervous, Richard, would like your opinion. (ps: ball did get a psa/dna authentication a few years ago).

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

Here is my Mantle. I've had it for about 8 years and purchased it before I knew ANYTHING about autographs. Now I'm nervous, Richard, would like your opinion. (ps: ball did get a psa/dna authentication a few years ago).

Nervous about what, Brandon? 100% authentic The Mick autographed baseball.

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Nervous about what, Brandon? 100% authentic The Mick autographed baseball.

Haha well you never know anymore. Thanks Chris

[David Atkatz]

Authenticity, Chris, is an either/or property; it is discrete, rather than continuous. Can you post an example of, say, a 35% authentic Mantle?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

Haha well you never know anymore. Thanks Chris

You're welcome, Brandon.

Now the person that owns the below Ted Williams should be nervous. It's a well-known secretarial signed Ted Williams that was sold at Todd Mueller Auctions.

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[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

Here is my Mantle. I've had it for about 8 years and purchased it before I knew ANYTHING about autographs. Now I'm nervous, Richard, would like your opinion. (ps: ball did get a psa/dna authentication a few years ago).

Brandon - Mickey is fine, you definitely have an authentic ball.

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Brandon - Mickey is fine, you definitely have an authentic ball.

Thanks

[GrayGhost]

That Williams isn't even close. People NEED TO DO RESEARCH and not rely on someones OPINION.

[RichardSimon]

That is one fugly Williams.
And no I won't put up my Williams photo tonite .

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

That Williams isn't even close. People NEED TO DO RESEARCH and not rely on someones OPINION.

But how can that be? Todd Mueller says "it's authentic." How is that possible?