Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[GrayGhost]

To me, they look almost EXACTLY the same, right down to the part of the T where there is a lightness in the pen. I think they r one and the same signature. That said, I can recall a dealer friend of mine years back w several Mantle balls he got IN PERSON at the show we were at, and they looked basically EXACT as well. So, I guess it IS possible. The one thing that really bugs me tho is the lightness area on the T seems IDENTICAL in both. If two diff, why would that happen in EXACTLY the same place?

Best of luck tho on a resolution for this sir.

[travrosty]

it is exactly the same autograph, and here is proof,

on ron's cobb signature, which a high res scan is enclosed, there are a series of dots on the paper,

and on the encapsulated cobb, those same dots are on the item in the same spots, i have circled the dots. i have shown the encapsulated item with and without my circles around the dots. so the background was scanned and printed on too, not JUST the green ink of cobbs signature.

the scan and subsequent printing picked up those dots and even though they are faint, they are still there in the same spots as rons cobb signature.

so we can get that out of the way and come to the conclusion that one is a copy of the other. i didnt say which one but its not looking good for the encapsulated one.

[ss]

Send it to Rich Simon and he can report back to all of us with his findings.

[GrayGhost]

I think Travis' dot thing is a pretty good clincher that it is the same. wow.

[Donavon]

I had a conversation with PSA today. They are going to re-examine the signature. I will let the experts handle this. Heresay & conspiracy theories aside, we will find out for certain.

[chaddurbin]

i will want to hear what psa does if the auto is indeed bad since in the autograph world everybody is standing behind the "it's just an opinion" excuse when something goes wrong.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

I had a conversation with PSA today. They are going to re-examine the signature. I will let the experts handle this. Heresay & conspiracy theories aside, we will find out for certain.

The experts?

Weren't they the ones that slabbed it in the first place?

It's not a conspiracy to show facts like the same marks on the same pieces.

Game over.

please report back with psa's finding, i really am interested in what they have to say, not kidding, i want to know what psa says.

[keithsky]

I don't think I have ever heard or seen in print when PSA or JSA admit they were wrong on authenticating something that wound up being fake. Seems like they don't want that to get out that they were wrong about something. To me it would seem like the right thing to do then more people would know they do make mistakes and it does happen. But they never want to man up about being wrong when someone has proof or points it out.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The experts?

Weren't they the ones that slabbed it in the first place?

It's not a conspiracy to show facts like the same marks on the same pieces.

Game over.

please report back with psa's finding, i really am interested in what they have to say, not kidding, i want to know what psa says.

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

Donavon, send it to TTA or Morales, they for sure would say its real

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

There are also other print dots on the Keurajian example that are not on mine, most notably below the line under Cobb's name. Thank you for that high resolution scan of the Keurajian example. It was very useful in comparing with the high resolution scan of mine. Again....I will let PSA/DNA examine the piece again. They are fully aware of all the information & questions on both pieces that we are. When that is done, I will have another 3rd party document expert examine it as well. I will reserve my judgement until such is done by those experts. And yes, I consider them experts though they are human & subject to human error. Considering that PSA is a very well known company & this has become a public incident I doubt very seriously they would deem it genuine twice if it is in fact not.

thats cool, you should send it to them, let's see what they say.

no one has seen a high res scan of yours, its fuzzy, the holder is in the way. if you have a good crisp scan of yours, could you post it?

but c'mon, there is no way that the dots i circled could possibly be in the same spots on both by mere coincidence.

I know you want it to be a different signature, but its just not, its the same one. You have to look at the facts.

PSA doesn't have a boxing expert listed, and they asked me to be their boxing autograph consultant a couple of years ago, I ultimately chose not to, but it's not like I am out in left field here with no qualifications. I still have never seen two signature that are undistinguishable by the unaided human eye match so close like this one that are two different signatures, that is why i would love to see the two similar williams sigs you say you own. No one signs their name exactly the same way twice. And these two are exact.

Just please promise you will post the results, good , bad or otherwise on what psa says. i dont have any money riding on it, so i am not wishing it one way or the other, but i just really want to know what they say.