Roll-off effect of valuable cards

[Blunder19]

I always thought the t206 Magee went for higher then other commons because of its error twin. The Doyle goes for a premium.. because of its error twin.

So I'd say yes...

[Peter_Spaeth]

I say no. I don't think Plank's cards in other sets, for example, are any higher than you would expect for a 300 game winner. Wagner's cards are relatively expensive because he is on most lists one of the top 5 players of all time.

[ullmandds]

It seems like the rocketing sales prices for ruth rookie cards is driving up the price of other early ruth caramels.

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

It seems like the rocketing sales prices for ruth rookie cards is driving up the price of other early ruth caramels.

I agree with Peter's statment.

[novakjr]

I think what ksabet is trying to ultimately get at, is that some players become overrated overall due to a "KEY" card.. A star, suddenly is thought of as a superstar. And sometimes a guy that would otherwise be common can become a household name, or at the very least a semi-star. In either case it would cause the player's cards in general to be somewhat over-valued..

OR sometimes people chase these "grails" only to ultimately settle for the next best thing, which drives up the demand and prices for that card, and occasionally things can snowball from there, usually no more than a card or two removed from the original grail..

To an extent, I can agree with this theory..

[4reals]

very thoughtful response, I agree with you.

Originally Posted by novakjr

I think what ksabet is trying to ultimately get at, is that some players become overrated overall due to a "KEY" card.. A star, suddenly is thought of as a superstar. And sometimes a guy that would otherwise be common can become a household name, or at the very least a semi-star. In either case it would cause the player's cards in general to be somewhat over-valued..

OR sometimes people chase these "grails" only to ultimately settle for the next best thing, which drives up the demand and prices for that card, and occasionally things can snowball from there, usually no more than a card or two removed from the original grail..

To an extent, I can agree with this theory..

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

I always thought the t206 Magee went for higher then other commons because of its error twin. The Doyle goes for a premium.. because of its error twin.

So I'd say yes...

The Doyle is fairly tough to come by - I checked the PSA pop report and it confirmed this.

[fkw]

Yes the Plank and Wagner receive a slight premium, Plank more so.

Wagner was a great player, and his value is slightly lower than Cobb usually, as it should be. Plank isnt found in too many sets, so that helps in the value department too.

No on Bengough, Lindstrom, Pafko, etc.
The R319 Benny Bengough is just as common as every other low # card.
its only got a premium in High Grade because the #1 card often received more wear when stored in number order, as many kids did back then.
as a player Benny sucked! ... way below average player, averaging 41 games a year, with 0 HRs in his career, and only total 108 RBIs

[ktimm]

A side question for curiousity sake.Does anyone have Wagnerin their top 5 all-time?

[fkw]

Wagner is close to top 5...

hitters
#1 Ruth
#2 Bonds
#3 Williams
#4 Cobb
#5 Gehrig
then Wagner, DiMaggio, Pujols, Hornsby, Foxx, etc., etc.

#21 Mantle

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bill James rates him no. 2.

[FrankWakefield]

If a fellow were to read The Glory of Their Times, then he'd think a bit better of Honus Wagner... A bunch of the players that played with Ruth and Cobb perceived Wagner as the best of the bunch.

I used to think Cobb was the best, partly because I'm a contrarian, and partly to be anti-Yankees. But some of that was based on the numbers, and what I read about when Cobb was in St. Louis for a series against the Browns, and he'd announced to the writers beforehand that he wasn't going to do the single, bunt, steal stuff but would instead swing for the fences like the Babe. I forget how well he did, but I think he hit 4something and had 6 home runs. I mention this because all of us can form opinions based on our interpretation of the stats, and from our league or team biases. If we step back from that, and consider what their contemporaries thought, their fellow competitors, then a compelling case can be made for the superiority of Mr. Wagner's skills. He was a ballplayer.

[ktimm]

Nice!My own opinion,take Bonds off the list.Maybe a pitcher?Mays or Musial?I like the idea that Wagner had the talent and ability to play a couple different positions.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by fkw

Yes the Plank and Wagner receive a slight premium, Plank more so.

Wagner was a great player, and his value is slightly lower than Cobb usually, as it should be. Plank isnt found in too many sets, so that helps in the value department too.

No on Bengough, Lindstrom, Pafko, etc.
The R319 Benny Bengough is just as common as every other low # card.
its only got a premium in High Grade because the #1 card often received more wear when stored in number order, as many kids did back then.
as a player Benny sucked! ... way below average player, averaging 41 games a year, with 0 HRs in his career, and only total 108 RBIs

I may agree on Pafko and Bengough but Lindstrom is a HOFer that I would have never known if not for the U.S. Caramel card.