Impossible Ty Cobb autographed ball passed by JSA and PSA

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I will have a car for sale soon. It's a 1967 mustang, and it has paperwork that it once belonged to Steve McQueen, and its in super rare pristine condition. So save up your money and pass up any other near perfect but not pristine 1967 mustangs that that lock solid paperwork that it belonged to McQueen in the meantime, because although those are nice and would fit the bill for something you are looking for this one is in super shape and this is a preview of the one you want.


Other auctions of McQueen 1967 Mustangs go by, the buyers not buying those but waiting and salivating for mine because they like mine better and I said it had the paperwork.

Then I pull the listing and people find out I only suspected that McQueen had owned it and I expected the paperwork to materialize, but alas, it didn't, so all you guys who saved up for your dream car and passed up others at other auctions to buy mine because I previewed it with the McQueen paperwork, well sorry.

but if I would have said "it might get McQueen paperwork, it might not", then they can make a reasonable decision to buy elsewhere or wait for mine with only the chance that the paperwork will come through.

Any reasonable person who sees psa full loa, and jsa auction loa assumes that the cobb ball has these certs, preview or not. And if it says psa full loa and jsa auction loa, then that is de facto certs is it not?

What if they had 30 or 40 thousand dollars and passed up other cobb balls with lock solid certs at other auctions because they really wanted this one, and then "Yank" no psa full loa or jsa auction loa, never had them to begin with? Can't go back in time unless it was the Back to the future DeLorean.

Other auctions of McQueen 1967 Mustangs

WoW! Just how many 1967 Mustangs did McQueen have?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Other auctions of McQueen 1967 Mustangs

WoW! Just how many 1967 Mustangs did McQueen have?

a whole bunch! lol. it's just a made up scenario to make a point.


how many pristine cobb signed balls from 1959 are there? i guess one less than we thought.

[travrosty]

I guess I am just asking if Mr. Williams thinks it's alright if auction houses list LOA's when they don't exist yet? Is that an honest, ethical thing to do?

When I broke the phantom JSA auction LOA story seven months ago, (on a lesser Muhammad Ali Operation bullpen item), why didn't you complain then? Is it because this story has legs compared to the last one and is getting people's attention? That item (Ali) was open for live internet bidding, not a preview with no bidding available yet, so that can't be an excuse, (preview only). They didn't have a problem listing the jsa auction loa that wasn't there when you could bid on the item over the internet.

[Bilko G]

interested to know if Heritage is gonna make a statement about this. I agree spot on with you Travis, good analysis.

[travrosty]

Thank you,

Whats a collector to do? Ask every auction house if their listed cert is the real one or the one that they hadn't gotten around to yet?

Why does Heritage do this? Obviously the average collector or bidder would never know the listings are the way they are. And they should know before they give an internet bid, or look at a preview item. Knowledge is power. Why does a column have to be written first?

[thetruthisoutthere]

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

interested to know if Heritage is gonna make a statement about this. I agree spot on with you Travis, good analysis.

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

No worries... I'm sure Travis and Nash will issue corrections and apologies to PSA and JSA if it is confirmed that it was a Heritage error.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

That isn't going to happen. Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records.

Eric

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I am hoping that Travis can post a photo of the PSA and JSA "Auction LOA." Please show it to me and the rest of the members here.

Isn't that heritage's responbility since they claim the item had one?

It's not my auction. It's theirs.