A Jimmy Spence authentication question.

[travrosty]

It was a purported sonny liston signed bell and i made the comment that max got that one right by declaring it a fake. that was factual.

As far as all these other demands. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.

And as far as babe ruth is concerned. If you look at ALL the babe ruth signed items that they (abc, xyz) have ever certed both on ebay and at all the auction houses (and that's a heck of an undertaking but one I have done), you will quickly be able to determine that Babe Ruth is a lost cause as far as their ability to correctly identify Ruth.

The Christmas tree lights on that one have bunched up to a Clark Griswaldian ball so messed up that unraveling it is nearly hopeless. I would trust Ron K. on Ruth before anyone else, especially the big TPA's that don't guarantee their opinion. It's messed up.

You go play with Drew Max, and Morales, etc. I just don't need to spend my time on them. If they are a known quantity, (which they seem to be for everyone here), then mission accomplished.

Are you sure it's 95%, not 99% like Orlando, Cyrkin, others will state, or even 99.9% like John R. states? I really wish we could straighten out the % so the people following the script could get it synced up with each other.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

It was a purported sonny liston signed bell and i made the comment that max got that one right by declaring it a fake. that was factual.

As far as all these other demands. I don't have to prove myself to anyone.

And as far as babe ruth is concerned. If you look at ALL the babe ruth signed items that they (abc, xyz) have ever certed both on ebay and at all the auction houses (and that's a heck of an undertaking but one I have done), you will quickly be able to determine that Babe Ruth is a lost cause as far as their ability to correctly identify Ruth.

The Christmas tree lights on that one have bunched up to a Clark Griswaldian ball so messed up that unraveling it is nearly hopeless. I would trust Ron K. on Ruth before anyone else, especially the big TPA's that don't guarantee their opinion. It's messed up.

You go play with Drew Max, and Morales, etc. I just don't need to spend my time on them. If they are a known quantity, (which they seem to be for everyone here), then mission accomplished.

Are you sure it's 95%, not 99% like Orlando, Cyrkin, others will state, or even 99.9% like John R. states? I really wish we could straighten out the % so the people following the script could get it synced up with each other.

That's exactly what I thought you would write, Travis.

You see Travis can't criticize Chris Morales and Drew Max. He's not allowed to. Imagine claiming to be "for the hobby" but not a word criticizing Chris Morales and Drew Max.

Travis "did his job" commending Drew Max and that Sonny Liston item that Drew Max examined, but Travis "can't do his" job criticizing Drew Max and the FDR Letter to Clergy. But then Travis "did do his job" when he joined in the bashing of John Reznikoff.

Travis, you just wrote "And as far as babe ruth is concerned. If you look at ALL the babe ruth signed items that they (abc, xyz) have ever certed both on ebay and at all the auction houses (and that's a heck of an undertaking but one I have done), you will quickly be able to determine that Babe Ruth is a lost cause as far as their ability to correctly identify Ruth."

Prove it. And not with that ABC and XYZ crap. You see Travis uses that ABC and XYZ crap because he knows that both PSA and JSA watch every word he writes.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Prove it. And not with that ABC and XYZ crap. You see Travis uses that ABC and XYZ crap because he knows that both PSA and JSA watch every word he writes.

Why would Travis--or anyone else for that matter--be afraid of mentioning JSA or PSA by name? What are they gonna do if he mentions them by name? Put out a hit on him?

[travrosty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Si...item337254033f

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Si...item337254033f

What about it?

[travrosty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item19c0c5e75e

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item19c0c5e75e

Two nice photos, Travis, but what about them?

[travrosty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-MI...item58920e5b9f

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-MI...item58920e5b9f

Now it's three nice photos, Travis, but what about them?

[David Atkatz]

"I know you are, but what am I?"--Pee Wee Herman

[travrosty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Au...item56479fb549

[travrosty]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ty-Cobb-auto...item2a19bb0a8d

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Au...item56479fb549

Travis, your silence is deafening. Thank you.

[drc]

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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drc

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...and I trump you with three dots

[drc]

I posted a snide comment about this thread, then felt is wisest to remove it.

[David Atkatz]

How could anyone believe both those (almost identical) "Ruth-signed" napkin pieces are real?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

How could anyone believe both those (almost identical) "Ruth-signed" napkin pieces are real?

David, they have PSA certs, no one is going to comment on them.

[frankbmd]

Both Babe Ruth napkins were certified on the same day. I wonder how many napkins were in the stack. It could have been a busy day for the "Babe Ruth" authenticating specialist.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

How could anyone believe both those (almost identical) "Ruth-signed" napkin pieces are real?

David, those napkins are cert number H47862 and H47863 on the psa site.


certs number H47861 and H47864 are the following two babe ruth signatures, certed on the same day, almost certainly submitted by the same person as they are just one number before and one after the two napkins.

What does everybody think? Some guy got 4 Ruth's certed in a row.

http://www.psacard.com/verification/...sttimeout=9999

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drc

I posted a snide comment about this thread, then felt is wisest to remove it.

two dots is pretty damned snide.