T206 upside down backs "should they be on the back run?"

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by E93

On a related note, I think we will find many more examples of the brown Lenox back.

Anything is possible.

It would be fun to see many more surface and hit the auction blocks.

[mrvster]

I only think that UPSIDE DOWN BACK FACTORY CUT NEEDS TO BE ADDED to the mainstream list above uzit....the other list IS AN ALTERNATIVE LIST
i think your missing the point....

UPSIDE DOWN BACK NEEDS TO BE ADDED(doesn't matter if a 4 back or 2 or 3, can even be a scrap if there is controversy)!!!!! imho above uzit or right at bl 460/ actually rarer than bl 460 imho come to think about it...............Why have Brown old mill cobb and blank back on the mainstream list???????????? all 3 weren't even issued to be distributed in packs????? most upside down backs (except for the printers scrap if u are able to differentiate) are FACTORY CUT.....they have more of a right to be on the list than the others listed above, heck, someone got them in a pack and probably tossed them cause they were "defective"......

Jared, i think your resistant to change in all due respect.....

CHANGE MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND....


how do we improve lists and things in our life if we don't change??

years ago no one cared about t206 errors and alot of collectors didn't give a crap about rare back t206, now look at them

Yes- things have changed....collectors become more educated when more info is shared and we have forums like this, brainstorming, free flowing ideas, the internet, talking with other knowledgeable and expereinced collectors ...

and yes being wrong(cause i am wrong sometimes)....but this time i know i'm right


AND THANK GOD T206 RESOURCE.COM!!!

i can finally reference backs/checklists etc because i'm a little unorganized sometimes...

Jared- i love your input, but that error list was my feeble attempt to classify and organize a semi cohesive list of all these freaks around meLOL


thoughts???


help????

[Blitzu]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I only think that UPSIDE DOWN BACK FACTORY CUT NEEDS TO BE ADDED to the mainstream list above uzit....the other list IS AN ALTERNATIVE LIST
i think your missing the point....

UPSIDE DOWN BACK NEEDS TO BE ADDED(doesn't matter if a 4 back or 2 or 3, can even be a scrap if there is controversy)!!!!! imho above uzit or right at bl 460/ actually rarer than bl 460 imho come to think about it...............Why have Brown old mill cobb and blank back on the mainstream list???????????? all 3 weren't even issued to be distributed in packs????? most upside down backs (except for the printers scrap if u are able to differentiate) are FACTORY CUT.....they have more of a right to be on the list than the others listed above, heck, someone got them in a pack and probably tossed them cause they were "defective"......

Jared, i think your resistant to change in all due respect.....

CHANGE MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND....


how do we improve lists and things in our life if we don't change??

years ago no one cared about t206 errors and alot of collectors didn't give a crap about rare back t206, now look at them

Yes- things have changed....collectors become more educated when more info is shared and we have forums like this, brainstorming, free flowing ideas, the internet, talking with other knowledgeable and expereinced collectors ...

and yes being wrong(cause i am wrong sometimes)....but this time i know i'm right


AND THANK GOD T206 RESOURCE.COM!!!

i can finally reference backs/checklists etc because i'm a little unorganized sometimes...

Jared- i love your input, but that error list was my feeble attempt to classify and organize a semi cohesive list of all these freaks around meLOL


thoughts???


help????

Mrvster,

With all due respect I believe I have already addressed all of your questions in my early posts if you read them. Not resistant to change so long as there is a reason for it. Just wanting the upside down backs on there isn't enough since it doesn't fit with the overall premiss of current list. So I'll say it once more though. Being factory cut or not isn't the reason that lists exists. It exists because all of the cards on that list are substantially different from anything else on the list whether it be by it's print or it's color. An upside back does not belong on the list because it is no different than any other card on the list and I can prove it to you.

Here's how, every card on the current list can stand on it's own, as being unique with no relation to the front of the card.

In point, why not add every player with a SC 150 factory 30 to the list? I mean, my SC 150 factory 30 Cobb is different from my SC 150 factory 30 young because of what's on the front of the card. That makes the back different, right? Does that sound reasonable? If so then we should be adding several hundreds if not thousands of cards to the back list!

When you think of it that's all that differentiates an upside down back from any other common card; it's what's on the front.

Where as back to my point that every card currently on the list stands on it's own as unique, regardless of what's on the front, hence it's called the back list.

One more example is if you put all the current cards on the back list, ungraded in a pile and asked someone to tell you how many different cards there are without flipping to the front, you should get the total number of cards on the table. Throw in a few upside down backs and the number won't change, why?

It goes back to there is nothing unique about an upside down back until you flip it over. Therefore it doesn't belong on the current list.

Jared

[mrvster]

Jared....


i respect your opinion, but i can't disagree more...


simply, then why are they called upside down BACKS????????????

Why does sgc grade them as such????????????????

because they are not "upside down fronts"....thats symantics......sgc does nt grade them as "UPSIDE DOWN FRONTS"

when we look at a card, we dont just look at the "back" we HAVE to look at it in relation to the obverse.........they are taken as a whole card.....

upside down back has more of a right to be on the list than cobb inmho, not just cause "i want to because i feel like it", but because it's not had any respect, when it deserves more respect than other backs.most came out of a pack, wether intentional or not, they exist and need to be in a t206 collection if you want a true back run...


BTW....you dont have to differentiate every player in the yellow browns/ that is RIDICULOUS, just include that as a back....



I AM A UPSIDE DOWN BACK ADVOCATELOL

[Blitzu]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Jared....


i respect your opinion, but i can't disagree more...


simply, then why are they called upside down BACKS????????????

Why does sgc grade them as such????????????????

because they are not "upside down fronts"....thats symantics......sgc does nt grade them as "UPSIDE DOWN FRONTS"

when we look at a card, we dont just look at the "back" we HAVE to look at it in relation to the obverse.........they are taken as a whole card.....

upside down back has more of a right to be on the list than cobb inmho, not just cause "i want to because i feel like it", but because it's not had any respect, when it deserves more respect than other backs.most came out of a pack, wether intentional or not, they exist and need to be in a t206 collection if you want a true back run...


BTW....you dont have to differentiate every player in the yellow browns/ that is RIDICULOUS, just include that as a back....



I AM A UPSIDE DOWN BACK ADVOCATELOL

It's still only upside down because of the front . A cobb back is a cobb back because of the back.

I respect your opinion as well, even if I disagree. Good luck with your advocacy

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Jared....


i respect your opinion, but i can't disagree more...


simply, then why are they called upside down BACKS????????????

Why does sgc grade them as such????????????????

because they are not "upside down fronts"....thats symantics......sgc does nt grade them as "UPSIDE DOWN FRONTS"

when we look at a card, we dont just look at the "back" we HAVE to look at it in relation to the obverse.........they are taken as a whole card.....

upside down back has more of a right to be on the list than cobb inmho, not just cause "i want to because i feel like it", but because it's not had any respect, when it deserves more respect than other backs.most came out of a pack, wether intentional or not, they exist and need to be in a t206 collection if you want a true back run...


BTW....you dont have to differentiate every player in the yellow browns/ that is RIDICULOUS, just include that as a back....



I AM A UPSIDE DOWN BACK ADVOCATELOL

Johnny,

I like your logic.

Personally, I collect nothing but T206's that have BOTH an upside-down front AND an upside-down back.

Scott

[mrvster]

You are the man!!LOL

[teetwoohsix]

A few things came to mind (hey Johnny ) when I read the title of the thread.

Some people do a back run of a certain player-in that case you'd have to know for a fact there was an upsidedown back for that player.

Some people's back run will simply consist of one of each tobacco brand. Some people take it a little further and want an example of each factory from each tobacco brand.

Then you have people who love the freaks and of course, that's where an upsidedown back fits into the picture. If you collect these types of cards, then I see no reason you can't create a list (as Johnny did) of scarcity- IMO EVERY freak card is a rarity in itself- many only one to a handful known- and the ones who collect these cards would be the ones to know the scarcity and the ones able to rank the difficulty.

I guess my long winded point was to say it depends on what "type" of back run one is doing because not everyone does the same type of back run.

Cool thread, I love the topic.

Sincerely, Clayton