T206 upside down backs "should they be on the back run?"

[Blitzu]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Great points!!

but brown lenox is on there

that is just a color variation

btw Leon or moderator, i accidentally put my yellow / brown in this thread, can u put a seperate post???im lazy and dont feel like re typing

I consider the brown OM and brown Lenox as substantive since they are unique in color from everything else, plus were done at the factory (not a chemical spill, etc). Just like the apple green sovereign is considered to be unique on the list. An upside down card has no unique features from anything else on the list depending on his you hold it. This is just my opinion, and down for considering others opinions.

Jared

[mrvster]

Jared.....


i beleive the brown om should be on a "sub-set" list, cause those cards are printer scraps, hand cut and NOT distributed in packs....

Cobb was prob a sales promotion or distributed in tins in an extremely limited/promotion/sales sample ect......

IRONICALLY- most upside down backs were errors and were printed at the factory, factory cut, and distributed in actual packs...some upside down backs(like an om i own) are actually printer scrap(not to be confusing), and are really hand cut cards like Chris b's 4 back up om, or Jamie B.'s sister upside down om off prob the same sl sheet


BROWN LENOX- intentionally printed like red hindy......

SO- brown lenox is kinda like an upside down BACK !!!

THEY ARE BOTH TECHNICALLY FACTORY CUT BACKS!!

why is one on the list and not the other?????????????????????




i think 2 back lists may solve these issues....



PACK DISTRIBUTED / NON ISSUED:


just a thought.........






pack distributed:





1)LENOX BROWN

2)BROADLEAF 460

3)UPSIDE DOWN BACK(can be any FACTORY CUT BACK) om, piedy ect(these can follow traditional back scarcities to determine rarities instead of re-listing)


3)UZIT

4)DRUM

5) HINDU RED

6)LENOX

7)BL 350(CLOSE W/ CB)

8) CAROLINA B(CLOSE W BL)

9) PIEDY 42

10)AB 460


then the rest.......


NON ISSUED:

1) TY COBB

2)BROWN OM

3)GHOST FRONT

4)GHOST BACK

5) NO NAME(TRUE NO NAME)

ECT ECT


Thoughts?????????????????????????????????????

[Blitzu]

Mrvster,

I can see your point and to a degree understand that maybe a non issued list vs a issued list could be contrived. Although, my qualifications for the current list were never solely about being factory issued or not. The basis for the list was being substantially unique to all the rest (even color variations, purposeful or not). That brings me back to my point that the upside down backs or upside down fronts are not unique in any other way from any current card already on the list. That's why they don't belong and this is why the browns, cobbs and blanks are currently on that list. They are all unique from any other known back.

Also, I'll say it one more time, who's to say the fronts weren't printed upside down on those?

[E93]

The upside down back is an error. The others are not.
JimB

P.S. The Cobb back does not appear to be a point of sale hand out promotion. Since half of the know examples have tobacco staining, it is fair to presume they were packaged with the tobacco/cigarettes. Ads dating from Feb/March 1910 advertising the brand suggest it came out two years before the tins that have tax stamps dating to 1912. My guess is the tins are a different brand from the "Ty Cobb: King of the Smoking Tobacco World" brand. I have an article that is going to be on T206resource.com soon that goes into more detail on these issues.