My proposed hobby book...........................

[Volod]

Didn't mean to characterize anyone with the term, newbie - was just pointing out what may be a misperception by collectors not too familiar with reprint sets. The fakes produced from reprints that I have seen were mostly very obvious. They usually involved just erasing the reprint copyright line or photoshopping a facsimile of a genuine copyright line over it. This might be enough to fool a rather naive buyer not familiar with the genuine article, but such other indicators of fakery, such as the size, cardstock and coloration would, or should, be immediate tip-offs, even to a hobby novice. I wonder if illustrations of counterfeits could help as much as simply knowing what a genuine card looks and feels like.

[brob28]

I agree Steve, I've seen a lot of bad attempts at erasing copyrights etc. Nothing will ever be as good as actually handling a card in person. I'll admit to being a newb when it comes to pre-war and getting farmiliar with some of the sets is part of my battle. One article I read decscribed in detail the method of printing used to create the gold borders on T205's and what to look for in originals. It has been priceless to me because it not only helps me authenticate cards but also helps when identifying alterations. This is the type of information I'm thinking about. If there was a book to pass this information on it would be a great benefit to the newer collectors. I do agree with you though, that there are somethings that are, and should be obvious to a collector. As an example I believe the 52 Topps reprint set cards are smaller than the originals. Anyway, no offense at the Newb remark, I am a pre-war newb and I'm starved for information to jump into the pre-world/turn of the century world with my eys open.

Cheers,

[Bob Lemke]

Back in the early-mid 1990s we (SCD) published a book with every known counterfeit card. That was in the days before everyone had scanners and laser printers. There were probably 50-75 or so. We had detailed microphotos and other information on how to spot each known fake.

I think the book had a cover price of $19.95. If it prevented a dealer or collector from getting stuck with just one fake card, he would have more than made up the cost.

I believe there were three editions and I doubt if 5,000 copies in total were ever sold. And this was at a time when it was believed there were 20,000+ brick-and-mortar card shops in operation around the U.S.A.

In one of the editions, we DID have a list of known reprint sets, as well; the Larry Fritsch Cards sets, Galasso, Card Collectors Co., etc.

On a different note . . .

When I was doing the Standard Catalog, I began compiling checklists of the many 1980s-1990s "broder" sets, both the actual Broder-produced cards and the many imitators. Information, especially complete checklists, was not so easy to come by in those pre-internet/eBay days, but I had information on about 50 such sets.

They were entered into the book's data base, but the information was never published.

[theseeker]

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Bob Lemke
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Good luck, but . . .

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"Back in the early-mid 1990s we (SCD) published a book with every known counterfeit card. That was in the days before everyone had scanners and laser printers. There were probably 50-75 or so. We had detailed microphotos and other information on how to spot each known fake.

I think the book had a cover price of $19.95. If it prevented a dealer or collector from getting stuck with just one fake card, he would have more than made up the cost.

I believe there were three editions and I doubt if 5,000 copies in total were ever sold. And this was at a time when it was believed there were 20,000+ brick-and-mortar card shops in operation around the U.S.A.

In one of the editions, we DID have a list of known reprint sets, as well; the Larry Fritsch Cards sets, Galasso, Card Collectors Co., etc"

Would you happen to know the title of the book and which edition had the list of the known reprint set? Mr Lemke......anyone...........

[brob28]

Bob, that would be a great book to have and is exactly what I'd love to have. Any idea on where I could come by one or the title so I can ask around?

[theseeker]

Not Bob but, I looked it up and this must be it......"Sportscard Counterfeit Detector." There are indeed 3 edition; 1992, 1993, and 1994.

Don't know which contained the list of reprint sets so I bought all three on Amazon. I'm a bit impulsive at times and besides all three were under $30.00.

[steve B]

They're pretty good books too, although they do get a bit tedious because the same sort of things are in the list of what to look for. I have the first two, and didn't know about the third.

I don't think either lists legit reprints, just fakes meant to decieve.

I have a fake that isn't in the book, and it predates any other fakes I've seen. Wood isn't in the 120 series. I got it in 1978 at a show.
Of course I'd be quite happy to find out it's not fake.

Steve B

[brob28]

Originally Posted by theseeker

Not Bob but, I looked it up and this must be it......"Sportscard Counterfeit Detector." There are indeed 3 edition; 1992, 1993, and 1994.

Don't know which contained the list of reprint sets so I bought all three on Amazon. I'm a bit impulsive at times and besides all three were under $30.00.

Thanks for the info John. I ordered mine tonight, looking forward to what information is within!