What do you consider a "rookie card?"

[E93]

I would not consider minor league cards like the BN Ruth to be a rookie card. Just my opinion.
JimB

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by E93

I would not consider minor league cards like the BN Ruth to be a rookie card. Just my opinion.
JimB

It gets to be a little like beauty--its in the eye of the beholder, or in this case, the safe deposit box of the collector. IMHO, the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth is his first card, while the M101 is clearly his actual rookie. Considering the disparity in the number of examples in existence, demand seems to be shifting towards higher grade 1916 M101's (PSA 7 for $200,00--PSA 6 for $75,000??? Whoa!). But if you are fortunate enough to have either, I don't think you're going to stay up nights worrying about it. Both cards are enormously significant and will be mainstays of the hobby for many, many years to come. I was just re-reading Green and Kiefer's 1990 book, The Top 100, tonight for the fun of it. Now, these two didn't often hit the nail on the head with regard to predicting cards that would appeciate nicely, but they certainly did with the M101 Ruth, noting that at a top guide price at that time of $1,000, it was "lightning in a bottle." And it will continue to be, although certainly the greatest rate of appreciation has past. My prediction that both the 1914 Baltimore News and the M101 in higher grade (Exmt or better?) will be seven figure cards in the not to distant future is hardly a bold one.

Oh and by the way, Kiner's rookie is in the 1947 Tip Top Bread set, and if anyone has one to sell graded better than good, don't keep it a secret. Mine is an ungraded poor, with writing on the front of the card, the only one I could find in a single card offering in about ten years of searching. This guy was one tremendous, under-appreciated slugger--check out his stats on baseball reference.com, and play with the neutralized batting toy there. His only deficit was that he played just ten years, but it should never have taken so long for him to get into the HOF! What would he command on the free agent market today if he had access to it in the heart of his career?

Thanks for taking the time to read this rant, guys!

Best,

Larry

[oldjudge]

The M101-4/5 Ruth is one of the most common cards from the set. I think it is tremendously overpriced now. The real bargains are the Collins McCarthy/Boston Store Ruths from the same period. They are much nicer looking cards, very much scarcer, and have much for upside in my opinion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The M101-4/5 Ruth is one of the most common cards from the set. I think it is tremendously overpriced now. The real bargains are the Collins McCarthy/Boston Store Ruths from the same period. They are much nicer looking cards, very much scarcer, and have much for upside in my opinion.

What proof do you have that the Ruth is the most common card in the set Sporting News set? That sounds absurd to me.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Leon:

My guess is that the pop reports show more Ruths graded than any other card in the set. Obviously, being far and away the most valuable, every Ruth card owner is going to have theirs graded (except for those who utterly hate TPG's).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Leon:

My guess is that the pop reports show more Ruths graded than any other card in the set. Obviously, being far and away the most valuable, every Ruth card owner is going to have theirs graded (except for those who utterly hate TPG's).

No doubt Phil. That being said these things were made in sheets and there is absolutely no proof (I have ever seen) to justify Jay's statement. I was looking for something I don't know as I enjoy learning new stuff.

[oldjudge]

Leon--First, I said that it is ONE of the most common cards in the set, not the most common card. This is based on my experience collecting the set in the past. While all cards may have originally issued in like quantities my experience tells me that more Ruths were saved and thus more Ruths exist today making it..........one of the most common cards in the set. Even if I never collected the set, common sense would tell me that this was likely the case. If in 1921 a kid found a group of these cards you can be sure that if he didn't keep them all he would most certainly save the Ruth. Over time the Ruths were almost surely saved at a higher rate than most other cards. To call my assertion absurd was----well absurd.