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Old 02-24-2012, 07:42 AM
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Here's what I don't understand: "A person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press that, after being informed of the positive result, Braun asked to have another urine test taken, and that the second test was within normal range."

Perhaps any MDs here can weigh in: how fast does this stuff leave the system? Braun claims he had three clean tests the same season and apparently demanded another test that was clean when he found out about the positive test.
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:58 AM
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Adam, this is from an SI online article last December:

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According to drug testing experts, though, passing a subsequent test is not, in and of itself, a valid defense and actually fits the pattern of some previous doping cases. US Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart has no specific knowledge of the Braun case, but says that a testosterone level that goes from normal, to high, to normal is typical of someone on a steroid cycle. "After a person stops using, the T:E ratio" -- that's the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio, which is 1:1 in most people, and above 4:1 in positive tests -- "goes back down to normal levels, and that could be in a matter of days or hours. It depends on how much they used, how long they've been using, and their own individual metabolism." Research done by German scientists showed that one particular drug boosted a patient's T:E ratio above 80:1 before it dropped back to normal only 12 hours later.

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That info Todd quoted from SI is important. I haven't seen that before.

Back to normal after 12 hours is interesting, almost as interesting as the 4:1 vs normal at 1:1 ratio. They seem to allow a bit of room for things being slightly off.

It also makes the other clean tests meaningless.

Does the MLB program do a multiple test like other sports? Usually there's an A sample and a B sample. If the A test is positive they then redo the test with the B sample (And hopefully different personnel or an entirely different lab) If they're contradictory it's announced but not punished. If both come back positve there's a suspension and some explaining to be done.

A proper explanation will remove the suspension.

For example a cyclist in the world championships eats a poppy seed bagel. Which causes a positive test for opiates. With a reciept and an "I didn't realize" excuse he wouldn't typically be suspended. Without the reciept or witnesses or if it's not the first time there'd be punishment.

Their tolerance levels I think are much lower.

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Just read an article on the Indians website, and I think Shelly Duncan may have summed this whole mess up the best of anyone.

"You either have a guy who got away with using a performance-enhancing drug, or you completely corrupted an innocent man's name. It's one or the other, and either one is a complete and utter fail."

"It's an example right now, of why every single time anybody takes a drug test, why it gives us justification to be scared to death. You have the credibility of your life on the line. No one knows except Ryan Braun what happened, and it's not fair for me to have ill feelings towards Ryan Braun if he's completely clean."
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