Hhhmmm, I wonder what happened to autographalert?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

All forgeries are not created equal, though, Chuck. There are many--myself included--who do not believe FDEs are as serious a problem as the other TPAs.
FDEs authenticate garbage that wouldn't fool anyone who's looked at a few valid exemplars for, say, five minutes. Their CoAs are not taken seriously by anyone "in the hobby." Our favorite TPAs, on the other hand, authenticate items that will fool serious collectors. Their CoAs are taken very, very, seriously, indeed.

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exactly right and i couldnt say it better myself.

the guy selling mexican viagra on the street corner versus what you would expect from the pharmacy. It's when the pharmacy starts getting it wrong is when we are all in trouble, because you go to the pharmacy for competancy.


you get what you bargain for on the street corner and it's not what is truly troubling this hobby.

nearly all the major auction houses rely on abc, and xyz authentication, and 50 thousand and 100 thousand dollar items trade hands there. These auction houses don't accept nor advertise, joe blow fde certs.

[slidekellyslide]

The serious collectors involved in the hobby may consider the ABC's to be a bigger problem than the FDE and joe blow authentication co, but the FDE and Joe Blows are flooding the rest of America with bogus crap that dad thinks he is going to send his kids to college with or pass down. We're starting to see it now with local auction companies filled with Justin Priddy and Chris Morales crapola.

[JimH5]

I met Koschal a couple of times and he seemed like a nice enough guy. He was eccentric, but enthusiastic. I knew he wasn't beloved by the masses, but there are lots of characters in the memorabilia business, so he wasn't unique in that.

But then I saw that he was selling John Wayne Gacy clown paintings and that sealed it for me. It's hard to profess your seriousness for the hobby when you're dabbling in that stuff.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

The serious collectors involved in the hobby may consider the ABC's to be a bigger problem than the FDE and joe blow authentication co, but the FDE and Joe Blows are flooding the rest of America with bogus crap that dad thinks he is going to send his kids to college with or pass down. We're starting to see it now with local auction companies filled with Justin Priddy and Chris Morales crapola.

+1 with a caveat
Not only local auction companies but local shops, malls, etc.
All of them are guilty as sin.
Some will argue that the dollar amount is what is important and it certainly is but the number of items making there way into peoples homes is overwhelmingly doing it with COA's that come from the crapola companies.
And when those people discover what they own is crap, well you can forget about them ever becoming a serious collector.
A pox on all of them.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

+1 with a caveat
Not only local auction companies but local shops, malls, etc.
All of them are guilty as sin.
Some will argue that the dollar amount is what is important and it certainly is but the number of items making there way into peoples homes is overwhelmingly doing it with COA's that come from the crapola companies.
And when those people discover what they own is crap, well you can forget about them ever becoming a serious collector.
A pox on all of them.

Agreed. +1

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

+1 with a caveat
Not only local auction companies but local shops, malls, etc.
All of them are guilty as sin.
Some will argue that the dollar amount is what is important and it certainly is but the number of items making there way into peoples homes is overwhelmingly doing it with COA's that come from the crapola companies.
And when those people discover what they own is crap, well you can forget about them ever becoming a serious collector.
A pox on all of them.

+1

As with any fakes, just because no "serious collector" would be fooled by them doesn't mean that they don't hurt the hobby. Serious Collectors don't spring fully-formed from the head of some old-time collector. We can hope that they cut their teeth buying from reputable dealers and that all of the lessons they learn are from research and handling genuine items, but for every collector who comes up that way, how many dozens more are there who happen upon something in an antique mall or flea market that sparks their interest, is purchased, and later turns out to be fake? If they're new to the hobby and don't know FDE's from ABC's or otherwise, that first lesson can be too hard to swallow, and will turn many away from the hobby altogether. Many will say, "Good, that leaves less competition for me to get the good stuff," but I find that attitude woefully short-sighted. For any hobby to thrive, there have to be new collectors coming in.

[travrosty]

I go into the local field of dreams here in minnesota at the mall of america, and there are the mantle/dimaggio/williams signed photos. both together and singles of each of these stars. and of course they aren't good in my opinion. have the sticker on them from one of the examiners,

but field of dreams thinks its good, so i guess the only rememdy is not to buy. you cant rip it off the wall and throw it away and if you try to tell them their signed photo of mantle they are offering is no good, they look at you and say "who the heck are you?"

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

like

+1

+500

exactly right and i couldnt say it better myself.

the guy selling mexican viagra on the street corner versus what you would expect from the pharmacy. It's when the pharmacy starts getting it wrong is when we are all in trouble, because you go to the pharmacy for competancy.


you get what you bargain for on the street corner and it's not what is truly troubling this hobby.

nearly all the major auction houses rely on abc, and xyz authentication, and 50 thousand and 100 thousand dollar items trade hands there. These auction houses don't accept nor advertise, joe blow fde certs.

Agreed.