Hhhmmm, I wonder what happened to autographalert?

[J.McMurry]

Is there a problem saying Steven koschal?

[thekingofclout]

Just found this... http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...ert-shuts-down

[Vintagedegu]

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[thetruthisoutthere]

Does anyone really think that the owner(s) of AutographAlert voluntarily removed their website "for the good of the hobby?"

[travrosty]

A critique site of the tpa's that is milquetoast is just what the tpa's want. Mild=accomadating and validating.

They would probably start one themselves if it meant no one ever dug any further than gently criticizing a little something here or there. then everyone moves on and thinks the tpa's are taking constructive criticism and taking it to heart and trying to get better.

Which is just not reality. it's not what is happening.

You will never hear the real stuff that is going on without it being labeled as a troublemaker site. That goes for any topic.

Managed and directed pitter patter criticism is just what they want. As long as it doesn't get to the truth and the real stuff that goes on. Then everybody can say how gentle and good the criticizing party is for making it all palatable and sugar coated. Then nothing ever changes or is reformed for the better.

[Vintagedegu]

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[travrosty]

No, milquetoast and gentle are my own wordings. actually i agree with you. i was referring to what it would take for others to see it as a mainstream or reputable site, not what an actual mainstream, reputable tpa criticism site would entail. but anytime anyone digs deep and really critiques tpa's. it will instantly be known as a troublemaker site. You can't be friends of these tpa's or try to do them a favor by helping them get better when they don't want to do so and they just want you to go away.

any credible, or mainstream critiquing site of a tpa will not be considered such on day one that they post their first critique.

it will be instantly bashed as being meanspirited, wrongheaded, mean, troublemaker, etc. by the people that don't want anything to change.

so there really is not going to be any site that is known as the reputable criticism site of TPA's, because even the people here that love and defend TPA's will call it

'bashing' or my favorite "cherrypicking"

apologies from me. i didnt want to take any words you said and transfer them to my own and put words in anyone elses mouth.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

No, milquetoast and gentle are my own wordings. actually i agree with you. i was referring to what it would take for others to see it as a mainstream or reputable site, not what an actual mainstream, reputable tpa criticism site would entail. but anytime anyone digs deep and really critiques tpa's. it will instantly be known as a troublemaker site. You can't be friends of these tpa's or try to do them a favor by helping them get better when they don't want to do so and they just want you to go away.

any credible, or mainstream critiquing site of a tpa will not be considered such on day one that they post their first critique.

it will be instantly bashed as being meanspirited, wrongheaded, mean, troublemaker, etc. by the people that don't want anything to change.

so there really is not going to be any site that is known as the reputable criticism site of TPA's, because even the people here that love and defend TPA's will call it

'bashing' or my favorite "cherrypicking"

apologies from me. i didnt want to take any words you said and transfer them to my own and put words in anyone elses mouth.

I loved to read the site except the constant "Anti Semite" crap ships sailed so long ago it hurts. The guy who wrote the majority of that stuff was a one sided moron. What we need is a blog like Autograph Alert that speaks to the collector regarding forgeries in general, not a one wayed JSA &PSA BASHING, like is so fashionable by some. That's where the autograph industry has missed the boat IMHO. TPA & FDE ARE HUGE problems..BOTH of them have issues. FDE's with Authenticating everything like a rubberstamp machine and 3rd party alphabets not learning from their mistakes and refusing to change some of their mis-directed ways.

Why don't you start one Travis and we'll follow, providing it's not a ONE-WAY bashing drill like has been going on here and on other blogs. How about a serious blog where ALL forgeries can be addressed instead of the us vs them mentality. You have the great gift of writing. You can use it to make the Autograph Industry you enjoy a better place if you get on board. If you could come out against "all forgeries", it would be a big step in the right direction.

The other Autograph blog "ANL" is a one way ticket to nowhere where this VanderDopen babbles among himself for 10-15 posts in a row with an ax to grind as does every other misfit on it. It's just a COMPLETE JOKE...

Everyone put down the ax and do something AGAINST ALL FORGERIES. These 3rd party morons are going to kill their own business, as they don't listen to anyone anyway and their mistakes are growing by the day. We want to see that, but we want to see people who are bashing their mistakes passionate about all forgeries PERIOD.....Yes including FDE's which have RUINED your business too. You can do it!!!!!!!!!

That's what is so tiresome and unbelievable sickening for collectors like me. Everyone is in this fight "TOGETHER" and the sooner that both factions of the TPA VS FDE crowds get together, the better for your industry.....No?

[Vintagedegu]

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