The BCCG problem

novakjr · #1 02-16-2012, 11:50 AM

Agree with Rob...Especially about David's analogies being completely bereft of logic. At their core, they may make some sense, but they leave out key factors for comparison...Stating that White Castle suck without ever having it, is completely different from despising BCCG without having ever submitted a card.. Mostly because the effects of White Castle on the fine dining community cannot be seen firsthand without tasting. However, the effects of BCCG on the hobby can be seen without ever submitting a card to them.. Personally, I do have a handful of modern cards in BCCG 10 holders, but only because they were cheaper than similarly conditioned ungraded copies.. YES! Cheaper than ungraded copies. And then you see the occasional card being run up either because some seller lists it as Beckett graded 10 or BGS 10, or simply because the buyer doesn't know any better...Yes, as I've stated before, the fault ultimately lies with the uninformed buyer, BUT Beckett at the same time can put a stop to this crap....We all know that a few instances like this is all it takes for a beginning or unkowledgable collector to lose interest in the hobby after being burned. And that is not good at all.. YES! I said it. BCCG is contributing to people leaving the hobby. Perhaps even more than the SWG's, MINT's, GEM's, PGI's, and PRO's of the world, because they have a name that should be trusted in Beckett attached to it..

jwgators · #2 02-16-2012, 02:16 PM

If they changed the grading scale now in the middle of it all, there would be even more confusion with their grades. Is it a 6 from before they changed the scale or afterwards? How can I tell the difference?

Same BCCG labels, same BCCG number grades, but then the descriptions would be different. it would not help anyone and it would probably ruin their business going forward. You would still have to read the description of the grade below the number, but now you would have two items with the same company (BCCG), same number grade, but with drastically different conditions.

It would have been nice to have a similar grading scale from the get-go, but it would be worse to change it after thousands and thousands of cards have been graded on the original "bad" scale.

novakjr · #3 02-16-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jwgators

If they changed the grading scale now in the middle of it all, there would be even more confusion with their grades. Is it a 6 from before they changed the scale or afterwards? How can I tell the difference?

Same BCCG labels, same BCCG number grades, but then the descriptions would be different. it would not help anyone and it would probably ruin their business going forward. You would still have to read the description of the grade below the number, but now you would have two items with the same company (BCCG), same number grade, but with drastically different conditions.

It would have been nice to have a similar grading scale from the get-go, but it would be worse to change it after thousands and thousands of cards have been graded on the original "bad" scale.

The simple point is "bad scale" is still "bad scale".. Change it or get rid of it...Maybe not the service, but the number system all-together. What's wrong with a slab simply having a grade rather than a number? The number was unnecessary from the start, and honestly only in place so people could see that "10". SGC went from only listing their number scale to also including a PSA equivalent scale on their slabs to help deal with the confusion, so why couldn't BCCG simply get rid of their numbers to clean up the confusion that they caused? Sure the old slabs would still cause some confusion to some people, but wouldn't it be good to at least stop adding to that number of potentially confusing slabbed cards?

smtjoy · #4 02-16-2012, 03:59 PM

I think its a huge negative to Beckett and I will not submit nor recommend them because of it. Its a money grab and preys on those with less knowledge of card grading.

Piratedogcardshows · #5 02-16-2012, 04:34 PM

I always thought something was off about those slabs.I didnt understand the difference really until this thread.I assumed they were the older,first produced slabs of Beckett.

HRBAKER · #6 02-18-2012, 11:39 AM

Jeff, all of this is obviously going way over your head, so I'll just concede the argument. I’m done posting here. Have the last word.

Yes David you are right, your arguments and analogies are way over my head and many others obviously. Nobody is making anyone either not submit a card for BCCG grading or not buy one, they are simply stating that in their opinion the scale is confusing and opens the door for deceiptful selling. Interestingly enough their arguments and POVs don't seem to go over my head. I am sorry that you feel put upon or that you are having something forced down your throat. It's just a message board and these are all opinions.

Maybe I'll go back to the prewar side whether the conversations are dummied down where I can understand them.

doug.goodman · #7 02-20-2012, 02:30 PM

This thread illustrates why there will never be world peace

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