Coaches corner issues disclaimer

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

This is so obvious, it seems a waste of time to even be debating it. Gee, let's go after the guys who are right 99% instead of the guys that are wrong 99% (with intent to deceive).

Rather than quibble over obvious topics, I would be more curious to know the motivation and origins of Travis' vendetta against Spence and PSA. At one time, they must have rejected a piece or two that were near and dear to his heart.

I would take major issue with the "99% right" statement but I think Travis' anger is directed at the TPA's because they allege to have knowledge of boxing autographs and in reality they do not. They apparently have made many, many mistakes, one of which actually went to court, where the TPA was proven to be wrong.
Boxing in general is what is near and dear to Travis' heart.

[David Atkatz]

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

Very good post.

[GrayGhost]

WE KNOW they aren't perfect, or nowhere near the experts. But, how many times do we NEED TO HEAR IT?

[David Atkatz]

Are you having trouble with your eyesight, Scott?

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Are you having trouble with your eyesight, Scott?

No, but its sickening. its always the same crap over and over and over again. I know that there are issues w everyone of the authenticators, FDE's, etc. but its just over and over and over again. PLEASE STOP SOME or keep it in one thread..

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

david, yes

people want to lump both issues together, and they are separate issues.


we know pro wrestling is fake. but when real freestyle olympic wrestling is having a scandal, for someone to come and say "why are you focusing on that when all of the this pro wrestling is fake and needs to be focused on first."

Well, there is a segment of society that believes pro wrestling is real no matter how many times you shout it is fake. the rest of us figured it out a long time ago.

but when the legitimate wrestling world is wrestling with a scandal, why drop it and tell people that pro wrestling is fake, and the washington generals arent really trying hard to stop the globetrotters? someone else can do that.

I am trying to get the legitimate wrestling to reform its ways, but to drop it and go after the pro wrestling circuit doesnt get anything done to achieve those goals.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

david, yes

people want to lump both issues together, and they are separate issues.


we know pro wrestling is fake. but when real freestyle olympic wrestling is having a scandal, for someone to come and say "why are you focusing on that when all of the this pro wrestling is fake and needs to be focused on first."

Well, there is a segment of society that believes pro wrestling is real no matter how many times you shout it is fake. the rest of us figured it out a long time ago.

but when the legitimate wrestling world is wrestling with a scandal, why drop it and tell people that pro wrestling is fake, and the washington generals arent really trying hard to stop the globetrotters? someone else can do that.

I am trying to get the legitimate wrestling to reform its ways, but to drop it and go after the pro wrestling circuit doesnt get anything done to achieve those goals.

Then why did you say that what CC did was a "Start"? Their intention is not to shed light on the bad aspects of ABC certification companies..it was an attempt to deflect from the joke that is their own certification companies of choice. No whistle blowing, no "Starting"...more like Baghdad Bob screaming "ALL IS WELL!!"

[Wymers Auction]

Chris I see your posts on youtube once in awhile and a part of me applauds what you do and then the the other part makes my hair stand on end. You never tell why these are forgeries ever. Never mentioning the wrong slant, letter sizing, speed, or anything. Believe me I do not like CC more than anyone else, but put your money where your mouth is so to speak and explain why those items are so terrible. I know this is reading like a personal attack, but that really is not my intention. I think your videos would be more effective with greater informational substance instead of ranting. I am not a forsenic expert guaranteed or nor will I pretend to be. Another thing is CC is not the only kid on the forger's block. Check this stuff out http://proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=47970

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Wymers Auction

Chris I see your posts on youtube once in awhile and a part of me applauds what you do and then the the other part makes my hair stand on end. You never tell why these are forgeries ever. Never mentioning the wrong slant, letter sizing, speed, or anything. Believe me I do not like CC more than anyone else, but put your money where your mouth is so to speak and explain why those items are so terrible. I know this is reading like a personal attack, but that really is not my intention. I think your videos would be more effective with greater informational substance instead of ranting. I am not a forsenic expert guaranteed or nor will I pretend to be. Another thing is CC is not the only kid on the forger's block. Check this stuff out http://proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=47970

He does not go into specifics and really none of the autograph experts here will go into specifics because they don't want to give tips to the forgers.

[Wymers Auction]

Thanks Dan I really was not trying to antagonize Chris I love baseball cards, but not nearly as experienced with these items as most that I see on here. Your explanation makes really good sense to me. Thanks

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

I agree, excellent post, and surprisingly, nobody seems to have come out and said it so bluntly before. How about we all stop calling Morales, TTA, Max, etc. "authenticators" from now on? They are part of a scamming system that is merrily chugging along.

Ken