Pot Of Gold Estate Auctions Babe Ruth Cy Young

[travrosty]

there are two kinds of babe ruth forgeries, one is just a higher class of forgeries, they go one way to the abc, xyz and get certed and sell for 30,000 t0 100,000 dollars each, and trade in the legitimate market, including the largest online auction place, and the sloppier ones go to other places to get certs and sell for 500 to 2000 dollars and trade on the flea market circuit.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

there are two kinds of babe ruth forgeries, one is just a higher class of forgeries, they go one way to the abc, xyz and get certed and sell for 30,000 t0 100,000 dollars each, and trade in the legitimate market, including the largest online auction place, and the sloppier ones go to other places to get certs and sell for 500 to 2000 dollars and trade on the flea market circuit.

Not necessarily so.
I just got four baseballs to examine yesterday. I won't reveal any details about the balls as the client will be attempting to get his money back, but he had spent $35,000 on the four balls. All with nice shiny (not PSA or JSA) stickers on them.

[travrosty]

theres always exceptions, but it is largely so.

we just saw cc sell a cy young signed ball for 257, a babe ruth/lou gehrig signed ball for 957.

meanwhile, higher class forgeries sell with abc, xyz for 25k, 40k, 50k, 100k and more each. and these with the abc, xyz certs will continue trade and sell back and forth forever. people can try to get their money back for a joe blow cert, but who is it out there that has an abc, xyz ruth ball that is trying to get a refund and is going to succeed? no one right now, because no one will take on those companies. so the customer dropped 80 grand on a ball with abc, xyz and are going to be stuck unless they try to pass it on even though they found out its fake. (perpetuate the problem)

when you get people who think they might have fakes, are they ever abc or xyz? because if not, then either those two companies dont ever make a mistake (ha), OR they make them but never get pushed for a refund, nor the dealer that sold them.

who can push for a refund on a abc or xyz cert? no one can, that's the problem. because the dealer can always say that this is abc, xyz, not joe blow certs, so shove off. they couldnt even get delahanty pulled from the auction even though it was obvious.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Travis loves to talk numbers, so let's talk numbers.

You see, Travis uses a different calculator than we do. Travis, what about the hundreds (or thousands) of Babe Ruth garbage autographs that Chris Morales, Drew Max and Ted Taylor have certed over the years. I guess those dollars don't count.

What about the hundreds of Lou Gehrig garbage autographs that Chris Morales, Drew Max and Ted Taylor have certed over the years. I guess those dollars don't count.

What about the thousands of autographed photos (including Ali, Mantle, Mays, DiMaggio, Ted Williams) certed by Max, Morales and Taylor that were sold by an auction site for over two years. I guess those dollars don't count.

This month (Feb 2012) alone Coach's Corner listed sixteen (16) Babe Ruth autographs. Four are certed by Morales and five by Taylor. And that's just this month. But I guess those dollars are irrelevant, Travis.

What about the 100 or so Christy Mathewson cut sigs and baseballs that Morales has certed for Coach's Corner.

This month over at Coach's Corner there are three Christy Mathewson cut sigs list. All certed by Morales. But I guess those dollars are irrelevant, too, Travis.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=311081

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=307861

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=308965

99.jpg

Now let's talk real dollars. The majority of those Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, etc., are sold to retailers, who then sell that crap for 5-20 times their purchase price to impulse buyers.

I guess those dollars are irrelevant, right, Travis?

[David Atkatz]

Travis, you might as well be talkin' to the wall. Ya just gotta accept it--only Morales and Drew are bad for "the hobby." (Even though, by Chris' own declaration, no one who buys any of their stuff is a "real collector.")
PSA's and JSA's sh#t don't stink--as evidenced by the fact that "real collectors" pay upwards of $300k for it.
Start puttin' your energy where it will do the most good: pointing out that Morales certs forgeries, and Coach's Corner sells 'em.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Travis, you might as well be talkin' to the wall. Ya just gotta accept it--only Morales and Drew are bad for "the hobby." (Even though, by Chris' own declaration, no one who buys any of their stuff is a "real collector.")
PSA's and JSA's sh#t don't stink--as evidenced by the fact that "real collectors" pay upwards of $300k for it.
Start puttin' your energy where it will do the most good: pointing out that Morales certs forgeries, and Coach's Corner sells 'em.

david,

exactly,

one babe ruth ball goes for 300,000 dollars, no big deal to them.

the matty signed 'won in the ninth' bookplates, which go for 10 grand apiece and there are 400 of them of which dozens have been certed by abc, and xyz, and all the rest WOULD be certed by them if they were sent in, that 4,000,000 dollars worth of matty sigs that they think is okay but ron k thinks is fake. I am sure the cy young expert can tell us his opinion.

but why quibble over 4 mil of matty sigs and a couple mil of babe ruth balls when we have mickey mantles that sell for as low as 1 dollar to worry about.

my next post i will show something i have never shown before, i am going to post it here AND make a new thread about it, because some people need convincing.

[travrosty]

To the people with the blinders on, this buds for you.


Here we see a list of the top ten forged autographs, along with a picture of Babe Ruth saying "this Babe Ruth forgery would fool most people.

http://www.psacard.com/smrweb/backis...tographs.chtml

It is the first photo shown below, the head shot of Babe Ruth.

So this company is touting the good Ruth autographs that they have certed on this webpage, and then show a forgery that they say would fool most, but of course wouldn't fool them, right?

The second photo below in the next post is an ad of theirs that they ran when autograph grading came about showing the same type of Ruth certed by them with a full LOA.

WT???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????

Now this signed photo of Ruth with the full LOA can be sold for thousands of dollars, and still can be, it has the golden ticket, and the company running this ad has the nerve to put up a top ten forged autograph list imo showing this same forgery (in their own words, a forgery), and saying it would FOOL MOST PEOPLE!

How about them? Would it fool them?

Talk about hypocrisy, talk about not knowing what they are doing.

Do you feel comfortable sending in a Babe Ruth autograph to them and wondering if you will get an opinion back that won't be called a fake tomorrow, and then good again, or a fake, or what???

The world experts at work, folks!

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Now let's talk real dollars. The majority of those Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, etc., are sold to retailers, who then sell that crap for 5-20 times their purchase price to impulse buyers.

Really?

Prove it.

[earlywynnfan]

I wondered how long before we got into this crap again.

Travis wants to go after the big guys and the high-end fakes.

Chris wants to go after the heavy volume guys with the low-end fakes.

WE GET IT!!!!!


I admire both of your for your passion, yet I can't stand either of you because of your petty fighting. We've read a dozen threads in the past few months that have all ended the same way: you guys strutting around like roosters with your feathers puffed out, staring each other down. WE GET IT!! How about the next time either of you wants to post to the other about how we should all go after "your" chosen target, YOU DON'T! Just post a link to any of these other tedious threads and we can read again what you think.


Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I wondered how long before we got into this crap again.

Travis wants to go after the big guys and the high-end fakes.

Chris wants to go after the heavy volume guys with the low-end fakes.

WE GET IT!!!!!


I admire both of your for your passion, yet I can't stand either of you because of your petty fighting. We've read a dozen threads in the past few months that have all ended the same way: you guys strutting around like roosters with your feathers puffed out, staring each other down. WE GET IT!! How about the next time either of you wants to post to the other about how we should all go after "your" chosen target, YOU DON'T! Just post a link to any of these other tedious threads and we can read again what you think.


Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Mr. EarlyWynnFan, with all due respect, what would you have me do? Ignore the comments written by Travis and just let them stand? I don't like these pissing matches any more than you do, but there are some things I cannot ignore. It's my style. If Leon doesn't like what I do here, I will leave here. It's that simple.

If my comments bother you and if you don't like what I write, then by all means put me on your "Ignore" list. I've put two members here on my "Ignore" list, that way I cannot read their comments. Please feel free to put me on your "Ignore" list, Mr. EarlyWynnFan.

[GrayGhost]

Why don't you guys just exchange PM's? Leon put that feature in for private discussions/arguments/questions and the like. It just gets sickening to keep reading this lovers triangle quarrel w Chris, Travis and David again, and AGAIN and AGAIN

As Ive said many times, you both have good points, and have both helped point out MANY MANY forgeries, both w guys on Roach's, Ebay, and the big errors made by the Alpha bit cereal authenticators. But, man, this is just over and over and over. ENOUGH, Pretty please?

Scott Roberts.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Mr. EarlyWynnFan, with all due respect, what would you have me do? Ignore the comments written by Travis and just let them stand? I don't like these pissing matches any more than you do, but there are some things I cannot ignore. It's my style. If Leon doesn't like what I do here, I will leave here. It's that simple.

If my comments bother you and if you don't like what I write, then by all means put me on your "Ignore" list. I've put two members here on my "Ignore" list, that way I cannot read their comments. Please feel free to put me on your "Ignore" list, Mr. EarlyWynnFan.

Or, Mr. TruthIsOutThere, perhaps you could just put Travis on YOUR "Ignore" list!

I'd prefer not to ignore of you because, as I said in my post, I feel you both have something to offer and I enjoy your posts, except when they involve Travis and David. As an adult, you are allowed to walk away, to ignore the bullies and idiots of the world. (Note: not saying Travis and David are either, I'm just making a point.) Heck, many would think you the better man for it!

So to reiterate: YES!!!! Walk away! Let him say what he wants!! You do what you do, let him do what he does. Both of you keep posting however you feel helps our hobby, and leave the other one be.