What Part Does the SMR Play in Your Purchasing?

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

VCP is a good tool, but it misses alot of sales. It also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade (ie - butt ugly card vs beautifully centered, undergraded specimens).

WOW this is the first time I have had something like this thrown at me. So you want us to rank each of the graded cards as well? Like it was said I think giving the GOLD members at least the scan of the card that sold should suffice then they have all the ammunition to make a decent value.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So you want us to rank each of the graded cards as well?

Bobby,

I don't think that's the way BobbyW meant it. When he said, "It (VCP) also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade," I think he meant cards with qualifiers. At least that's the way I understood it.

In other words, a card with a qualifier is almost always going to sell for less money than a card without a qualifier. When you group cards with qualifiers with cards without qualifiers, it lowers the VCP average.

For example, look at this 1965 Yaz card.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-TOPPS-3...item4ab31b9b07

It sold for roughly 10% of VCP average ($378.69) of a regular PSA 9. Having that card with the qualifier grouped with the rest of the PSA 9s brings down the VCP average, does it not?.

Anyway, I think that's what BobbyW was referring to, but he can correct me if I am wrong. I don't think he was asking you to "rank each card." However, omitting cards with qualifiers (or listing them separately) would give a more accurate average price for a card.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Bobby,

I don't think that's the way BobbyW meant it. When he said, "It (VCP) also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade," I think he meant cards with qualifiers. At least that's the way I understood it.

In other words, a card with a qualifier is almost always going to sell for less money than a card without a qualifier. When you group cards with qualifiers with cards without qualifiers, it lowers the VCP average.

For example, look at this 1965 Yaz card.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-TOPPS-3...item4ab31b9b07

It sold for roughly 10% of VCP average ($378.69) of a regular PSA 9. Having that card with the qualifier grouped with the rest of the PSA 9s brings down the VCP average, does it not?.

Anyway, I think that's what BobbyW was referring to, but he can correct me if I am wrong. I don't think he was asking you to "rank each card." However, omitting cards with qualifiers (or listing them separately) would give a more accurate average price for a card.

We have a separate section for cards with qualifiers called PSA-Q and if you look on the grid page with all the graders on it, there it is at the very bottom. We do know that cards with qualifiers are about 2 grades lower then ones with out. This is why we do not group them with the ones with out.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

We have a separate section for cards with qualifiers called PSA-Q and if you look on the grid page with all the graders on it, there it is at the very bottom. We do know that cards with qualifiers are about 2 grades lower then ones with out. This is why we do not group them with the ones with out.

Bobby,

Am I looking at this wrong? I see the 1965 Yaz PSA 9 O/C listed with the other PSA 9s when I do a VCP search. It's the first card listed with a sale date of 1/23/12 for $36.00.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Bobby,

Am I looking at this wrong? I see the 1965 Yaz PSA 9 O/C listed with the other PSA 9s when I do a VCP search. It's the first card listed with a sale date of 1/23/12 for $36.00.

All things are not perfect and we are only human and errors occur from time to time. That is why we have "Report a Problem" on the bottom right side of every page so when a member finds an error we can fix it on the fly. But I think you will see that errors are not that common and usually due to the original seller not listing the qualifier in the title.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

All things are not perfect and we are only human and errors occur from time to time. That is why we have "Report a Problem" on the bottom right side of every page so when a member finds an error we can fix it on the fly. But I think you will see that errors are not that common and usually due to the original seller not listing the qualifier in the title.

Bobby, I love your site and am a gold subscriber. My only "wish list" so to say is to have back scans (when available) to see as well as fronts. Keep up the great work!

Greg