Peter Nash loses again.....

[ChiefBenderForever]

Seems like he's a very passionate baseball history buff who got in over his head after buying some high priced stuff that was great forgeries. It snowballed from there with some very bad decisions and seems to be getting worse. A good lesson of don't bite off more than you can chew and with high priced memorabilia be very careful if you are not wealthy. Rea made a huge mistake giving him an advance on bogus material and rather than pay them back he became a vigilante for fake and stolen items but in the process seems to have done some of the same things he exposes others for. All in all a big mess and not looking to get any better.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ChiefBenderForever

Seems like he's a very passionate baseball history buff who got in over his head after buying some high priced stuff that was great forgeries. It snowballed from there with some very bad decisions and seems to be getting worse. A good lesson of don't bite off more than you can chew and with high priced memorabilia be very careful if you are not wealthy. Rea made a huge mistake giving him an advance on bogus material and rather than pay them back he became a vigilante for fake and stolen items but in the process seems to have done some of the same things he exposes others for. All in all a big mess and not looking to get any better.

Nice re-cap!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by ChiefBenderForever

Seems like he's a very passionate baseball history buff who got in over his head after buying some high priced stuff that was great forgeries. It snowballed from there with some very bad decisions and seems to be getting worse. A good lesson of don't bite off more than you can chew and with high priced memorabilia be very careful if you are not wealthy. Rea made a huge mistake giving him an advance on bogus material and rather than pay them back he became a vigilante for fake and stolen items but in the process seems to have done some of the same things he exposes others for. All in all a big mess and not looking to get any better.

Hmmmm not quite that simple. Theres more to Pete Nash than that. Simply put nobody who is just a liitle over their head is involved in as much crap and legal stuff as he is.

John

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Hmmmm not quite that simple. Theres more to Pete Nash than that.

John

I completely agree with John. There is a whole lot more to Peter Nash than that...

[Leon]

It seems at though Peter Nash is a brilliant individual. Ya'll know what they say, there is a fine line between genius and insanity. The problem that hasn't been mentioned is that some fraudulent 19th century material in the hobby was allegedly made by Nash. He allegedly would take 2 old items, put them together, and make a 3rd item. So all of the items would be old but they wouldn't be what they are purported to be. That is the rub. So now, since he is in trouble (by the court docs I have seen) he is now holding the flag of do-gooder and trying to rid the hobby of the exact things he has allegedly done. That is the situation. There is no doubt he has exposed some fraud in the hobby. Unfortunately, he seems to have a ton of skeletons of the exact same nature (not autographs, I am aware of) in his closet as what he is uncovering. I don't discount what he says I just wonder why he doesn't get his own house in order before he crusades against what he is purported to have done?

[barrysloate]

I've never mentioned this on the board before, but there was a point in time when I knew Peter very well and we developed a pretty good friendship. I would say this was around 1993-94. And I have to say Peter was a really interesting guy. He was just coming out of his short career as a rap star ( the shelf life of a white guy in the hip hop world apparently isn't too long), he had been offered a part in one of Spike Lee's films (he turned it down), he was an up and coming baseball historian with a really nice collection, he had this beautiful apartment in Greenwich Village where I used to visit him regularly (and he likewise came into Brooklyn and hung out in my neck of the woods), and it certainly seemed he was living the good life. Peter is a super smart person, very charismatic, and I have to admit that while I am perhaps ten years his senior, during that friendship I always looked up to him. He seemed to have achieved this very high level of success at a very young age, and as I said, his intelligence and charm were a pretty powerful combination.

But I guess things happened over the years, money problems or something, and since that time not everything has worked out. I know from my own experience doing trades and deals with him, things would often get unnecessarily complicated and sometimes spin out of control. I lost touch with Peter many years ago but I still think of him fondly.

Peter, if you are reading this, I hope things work out for you. I am mystified by many of the things I am hearing.

[novakjr]

It's nice to hear that Barry. I'll bust on the guy for his rap career, but as far as his hobby dealings, I don't know much other than what I've read. There's always two sides to every story, and I don't think we ever hear much of his sides...This might be by his own doing.

Honestly though, he may not be a bad guy. His track record, however, leads me to believe that there may be some underlying issues. My son was recently diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, it's a highly functioning form of autism...That often leads to anti-social/entitled behavior, and the "I'm always right" type attitude. I myself, show some of these behaviors. Numerous famous and brilliant people are reported to have/had Aspergers, including Bill Gates, Isaac Newton, Alfred Hitchcock, Einstein, Darwin, Jim Henson, Woody Allen, Mark Twain, Henry Ford, and Mark Zuckerberg amongst others. Is it possible that Pete might suffer this same disorder?

I believe it is possible that many of us suffer this syndrome. I could be a great explanation as to why many of us are so passionate about something that, in the ultimate order of things, is so insignificant... We use it as our anti-social escape, and have turned into our little exclusive, know it all club, especially on this board. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way though..

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

He was just coming out of his short career as a rap star the shelf life of a white guy in the hip hop world apparently isn't too long.

Then how do you explain your 20+ years as MC Sloate??



I'd like to add I grew up a huge 3rd Bass fan as a kid I'm sure I too would like or really like Pete. I have also heard and have knowledge that at one time and perhaps today there has never been a guy who knew so much and was so good at research and history of this game. Make no mistake Pete is truly an amazing hobby historian and loves this game.

It would just seem that Pete turned to the dark side if you will and the stuff he has done is inexcusable. The entire Hauls Of Shame site to me is as transparent as one can get. It’s a clear smoke screen to bring attention away from his actions which he is facing daily trust me. Sort of like it will be hard for the park service to bust your chops about a camp fire when you set the park a blaze.

It would be nice to see Pete come clean and resurrect himself but I think that is too much to wish for if I’m being honest. I think he and the situations he has created are just too far gone. That is the real Haul of Shame here sadly.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

John- white guys have enough trouble in the world of rap...much less Jewish guys. I fought an uphill battle for all those 20 years!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

It would be nice to see Pete come clean and resurrect himself but I think that is too much to wish for if I’m being honest. I think he and the situations he has created are just too far gone. That is the real Haul of Shame here sadly.

Cheers,

John

Shelly Jaffe turned his life around...Pete Nice can do it too. It will obviously take time, restitution and probably turning himself in to whatever authority it is that has a warrant out for him. I honestly believe that if he were to do all this and still continue to root out the bad elements of this hobby he can be a real asset.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Then how do you explain your 20+ years as MC Sloate??

DANG Barry, i had no idea you were so fly back in da day dog?

[photo111]

Leon, what are the items he created?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by photo111

Leon, what are the items he created?

There are allegedly some trophy balls and other very early historic baseball items that have been found to be of questionable origins. I don't have first hand knowledge.

[barrysloate]

David- I do know what Asperger's is (if you've ever watched the show Parenthood, there's a young character named Max who has it), and I am sorry to hear your son has it too. But Peter had very highly developed social skills, so I am going to say that isn't it.

I want to add that a number of you have seen videos of Peter's hip hop performances as Pete Nice, and I must say that Peter is absolutely nothing like that in person. That was a character he played during his rap career. In person he is soft spoken and articulate, with none of those rough edges. That was just a professional role he played.