1915 St Louis Globe Democrat Color Sport Supplements

[doug.goodman]

I received one of these today in finishing a trade with a board member (thank you, Clint) and a question he asked leads me to post this question :

How many of these are there on the "checklist"?

They are full sized newspaper pages, approximately 17 X 23 inches.

Here is what I have :

April 25 - Cartoon about teams taking NL pennant
June 27 - Carl Weilman & Eddie Plank (popular players)
July 4 - Feds (team)
July 11 - Lee Meadows & Urban Faber (pitching sensations)
July 18 - Ty Cobb & Jake Daubert (batting stars)
July 25 - Larry Doyle & Lee Magee (batting stars)
Aug 1 - Bennie Kauff & Vic Saier (base stealers)
Aug 8 - Tris Speaker & George Burns (outfield)
Aug 15 - Rabbit Maranville & Eddie Collins (both sides of second sack)
Aug 22 - Ray Schalk & Frank Snyder (catchers)
Aug 29 - Altrock, Schaefer & Jennings (coaches)

Those are all noted as "Color Sport Supplement" with the date at the top.

I also have a color page from :
Sept 12 - Charles Comiskey (owner)
Sept 19 - Hank O'Day (umpire)

I assume there something in the Sept 5 issue, and I would be curious to see if there are any other "Color Sport Supplements" from before June 27 or after Aug 29.

Does anybody have any that I haven't listed? Does anybody have any info on these issues? Does anybody have any thoughts on these issues?

Thanx,
Doug

[baseballart]

Great stuff Doug. I hadn't seen these before.

Max

[ksfarmboy]

Your welcome Doug and thanks for the photo. I'd love to find the original artwork for these. Awesome pieces.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by baseballart

Great stuff Doug. I hadn't seen these before.

Max

Thanx, Max.

They are cool in the pictures, but they are absolutely amazing in person. Quite possibly my favorites of the various supplements I have, or have seen.

I'm hoping there is somebody else in Net54-land who has some knowledge about them.

Doug

[bcbgcbrcb]

I believe that just about all of the ones that you have pictured appeared in a major auction catalogue a couple of years ago. I really tried for the Faber one as it pre-dated his rookie card but was not successful. Other than that info, I really love them amd congrats on putting together such a nice collection. They are definitely very scarce.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I believe that just about all of the ones that you have pictured appeared in a major auction catalogue a couple of years ago. I really tried for the Faber one as it pre-dated his rookie card but was not successful. Other than that info, I really love them and congrats on putting together such a nice collection. They are definitely very scarce.

Thanx Phil. That was the H&S Fall 2009 auction. Just prior to that I had discovered the supplements accidentally on ebay, when I received a few in the mail a couple days before the H&S auction close I was on a mission. I think I pretty much ran the table on the ones they offered. Had I not received the ebay ones for another week, I probably wouldn't have bid so aggressively on the H&S offerings.

Next time I cross paths with a Faber, I will let you know.

Doug

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks, Doug, but I'm okay on Faber now, I have since picked up a 1914 Chicago postcard.

[doug.goodman]

I kind of feel bad bumping my own post, especially since there are only a few guys out there who care about esoteric items such as these, but here goes...

While adding the Weilman / Plank that I received from Clint into the book I store these in, I discovered some additions to the "checklist". I suppose you could say they were hiding in plain sight. The updated list is :

April 25 - Cartoon about teams taking NL pennant
(ADD) May 30 - Tommy Long (most popular ballplayers)
June 27 - Carl Weilman & Eddie Plank (popular players)
July 4 - Two Of This Season's Stars (front of section)
July 4 - Feds Team (back of section)
July 11 - Lee Meadows & Urban Faber (pitching sensations)
July 18 - Ty Cobb & Jake Daubert (batting stars)
July 25 - Larry Doyle & Lee Magee (batting stars)
Aug 1 - Bennie Kauff & Vic Saier (base stealers)
Aug 8 - Tris Speaker & George Burns (outfield)
Aug 15 - Rabbit Maranville & Eddie Collins (both sides of second sack)
Aug 22 - Ray Schalk & Frank Snyder (catchers)
Aug 29 - Altrock, Schaefer & Jennings (coaches)

Those are all from 1915 and noted as "Color Sport Supplement" with the date at the top (except the July 4 Feds Team).

There are also color pages from :
(ADD) Sept 20, 1908 - Parade of players with bats on shoulders & crowd
(ADD) Apr 9, 1909 - Cartoon entitled "Play Ball" with a King watching game w/peanuts & scorecard
(ADD) Aug 11, 1912 - Drawing of kids playing titled "A Home Run"
(ADD) June 6, 1915 - Baseball cartoon "Bert Bush's First Game"
Sept 12, 1915 - Charles Comiskey (owner)
Sept 19, 1915 - Hank O'Day (umpire)


Based on the Tommy Long addition, I'm thinking there are a bunch more of these, hopefully one each week.

Also, I think that the Color Sport Supplements themselves were a section of 4 newspaper pages, with the front and back in color and the inside black and white.

Doug


PS - Phil, I found another Faber, email me your address and I'll send it to you.

[ksfarmboy]

Doug I think there is little talk because they are rare and not many people even knew they existed until you posted about them. They are beautiful pieces of art. Keep us informed about your progress. Nice research.

[John V]

Since I'm interested in Zinn Beck, I've had this July 4th scan but not the actual supplement.

[doug.goodman]

Thank you John.

What players are those?

I had completely missed the very obvious fact that the page I had listed as July 4, is actually the back of the July 4 supplement.

Thanx for adding to our "catalog".

Doug

[John V]

Zinn Beck is on the far right. I don't know who that is beside him.

[Vintagecatcher]

Hi Doug,

There was a nice one of Roger Bresnahan on eBay years ago. It was on there for quite some time. I debated on whether or not to pick it up, but if I remember correctly the seller had a very high shipping charge due to the items large size. I regret not grabbing it.


Patrick

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Vintagecatcher

...had a very high shipping charge due to the items large size.

The funny thing about these kinds of items is that they are very easy, and fairly cheap to ship.

Any large supplements or newspapers, if sandwiched between paper and/or plastic, will generally roll and ship in a mailing tube safely. I also fill the middle of the tube with packing peanuts.

I'll have to explore the interwebs for a picture of that Bresnahan.

Thanx,
Doug

[Jerry G]

I've never seen these before and living in St. Louis I am very surprised. Post all that you find. They are awesome and your scans are appreciated.

[JLange]

Never seen 'em before but will now keep a look out. I love 'em!

[Steve L]

These are amazing. The Ty Cobb & Jake Daubert is fantastic, I would love to add it to my Daubert collection. Anyone know if more than one copy exists and if any are available? Anyone seen any of them recently or have more info about the set, in general? Thanks!

[doug.goodman]

Sorry to say that while I do have extra copies of a couple, the Cobb / Daubert isn't one of them.

I have been looking for others for years and haven't seen any others.

Doug

[drcy]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The funny thing about these kinds of items is that they are very easy, and fairly cheap to ship.

Any large supplements or newspapers, if sandwiched between paper and/or plastic, will generally roll and ship in a mailing tube safely. I also fill the middle of the tube with packing peanuts.

I'll have to explore the interwebs for a picture of that Bresnahan.

Thanx,
Doug

I once won on eBay a large photograph by and from a famous Vogue magazine photographer and he mailed it rolled in a tube. I figured it if sending his own photo rolled was good enough for him, it was good enough for me.

[doug.goodman]

While scouring the interwebs I found another Globe-Democrat page to add to our checklist. It's from Aug 22, 1915 and it's of Christy Mathewson.

Not sure how I had missed it before, since it was included in a Huggins & Scott auction in 2012, not too long after this thread started. If you have this one, I would be interested in acquiring it from you...

Stolen picture below, and here is the updated checklist :

April 25 - Cartoon about teams taking NL pennant
May 30 - Tommy Long (most popular ballplayers)
June 27 - Carl Weilman & Eddie Plank (popular players)
July 4 - Two Of This Season's Stars (front of section)
July 4 - Feds Team (back of section)
July 11 - Lee Meadows & Urban Faber (pitching sensations)
July 18 - Ty Cobb & Jake Daubert (batting stars)
July 25 - Larry Doyle & Lee Magee (batting stars)
Aug 1 - Bennie Kauff & Vic Saier (base stealers)
Aug 8 - Tris Speaker & George Burns (outfield)
Aug 15 - Rabbit Maranville & Eddie Collins (both sides of second sack)
Aug 22 - Ray Schalk & Frank Snyder (catchers)
Aug 29 - Altrock, Schaefer & Jennings (coaches)

Those are all from 1915 and noted as "Color Sport Supplement" with the date at the top (except the July 4 Feds Team).

There are also color pages from :
Sept 20, 1908 - Parade of players with bats on shoulders & crowd
Apr 9, 1909 - Cartoon entitled "Play Ball" with a King watching game w/peanuts & scorecard
Aug 11, 1912 - Drawing of kids playing titled "A Home Run"
(ADD) Aug 15, 1915 - Christy Mathewson
June 6, 1915 - Baseball cartoon "Bert Bush's First Game"
Sept 12, 1915 - Charles Comiskey (owner)
Sept 19, 1915 - Hank O'Day (umpire)

Doug

[doug.goodman]

With help of my travel agent, who has an account to newspapers.com, I was able to add to (and I believe complete) the catalog of these issues today :

These are the covers of and headlined "Sport Section Extraordinary" at the top with the date :
April 4, 1915 Political Cartoon (baseball)
April 11, 1915 Baseball Day Dreams

These are the covers of and headlined "Color Sport Supplement" at the top with the date :
April 18, 1915 x - not baseball
April 25, 1915 Cartoon about teams taking NL pennant
May 2, 1915 x - not baseball
May 9, 1915 Jack Miller
May 16, 1915 Harry Sallee
May 23, 1915 Derrill Pratt
May 30, 1915 Tommy Long
June 6, 1915 John Tobin
June 13, 1915 Bert Shotton
June 20, 1915 Grover Lowdermilk / William Doak
June 27, 1915 Carl Weilman / Eddie Plank
July 4, 1915 Otis Crandall / Zinn Beck
July 11, 1915 Lee Meadows / Urban Faber
July 18, 1915 Ty Cobb / Jake Daubert
July 25, 1915 Larry Doyle / Lee Magee
Aug 1, 1915 Bennie Kauff / Vic Saier
Aug 8, 1915 Tris Speaker / George Burns
Aug 15, 1915 Rabbit Maranville / Eddie Collins
Aug 22, 1915 Ray Schalk / Frank Snyder
Aug 29, 1915 Altrock / Schaefer / Jennings
Sept 5, 1915 Herzog, Huggins / Bresnahan / Carrigan
Sept 12, 1915 George Sisler
Sept 19, 1915 Mamaux / Betzel / Koob
Sept 26, 1915 Joe Wood / Grover Alexander

These are in color on the back of the "Color Sport Supplement". All except the Feds Team are noted as "Superlatives in Sport" or "One of Sport's Superlatives" :
July 4, 1915 Feds Team
Aug 8, 1915 Harry Howell
Aug 22, 1915 Christy Mathewson
Sept 12, 1915 Charles Comiskey (owner)
Sept 19, 1915 Hank O'Day (umpire)
Sept 26, 1915 John Tener (league pres)

The 9 issues between and including April 11 thru June 6 also have a color full page "Bert Bush's First Game" cartoon.

I believe these to be the complete listing of all full page color baseball pages issued by the St. Louis Globe-Democrat in 1915. Apologies if I missed any.

I am still looking for copies of all of these shown below, and a few others.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

I picked up four more of these supplements last week, and they arrived today. Scans below.

Here are the ones I am still looking for :
April 4, 1915 Political Cartoon (baseball)
April 11, 1915 Baseball Day Dreams
May 23, 1915 Derrill Pratt
June 13, 1915 Bert Shotton
July 4, 1915 Otis Crandall / Zinn Beck
Sept 5, 1915 Herzog, Huggins / Bresnahan / Carrigan
Sept 12, 1915 George Sisler
Sept 19, 1915 Mamaux / Betzel / Koob
Sept 26, 1915 Joe Wood / Grover Alexander
Sept 26, 1915 John Tener (league pres)

Also I am looking for :
April 11, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
April 18, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
April 25, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
May 2, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
May 9, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
May 16, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
May 23, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon
May 30, 1915 Bert Bush's First Game - cartoon

I have these to trade :
May 30, 1915 Tommy Long
July 11, 1915 Lee Meadows / Urban Faber
July 25, 1915 Larry Doyle / Lee Magee
August 8, 1915 Tris Speaker / George Burns
August 22, 1915 Ray Schalk / Frank Snyder
August 29, 1915 Altrock / Schaefer / Jennings

Looking forward to hearing about any new discoveries, or any that you guys may have that are available for sale or trade.

Doug

[perezfan]

Wow, those are truly gorgeous. Congrats on finding four new ones!

Do you plan to get them professionally graded? I think PSA is introducing a super-sized slab that will work perfectly for these. Not sure about the wait-time but think it's now under a year, and might help to legitimize the collection.


Just kidding about that last part. Great stuff!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Wow, those are truly gorgeous. Congrats on finding four new ones!

Do you plan to get them professionally graded? I think PSA is introducing a super-sized slab that will work perfectly for these. Not sure about the wait-time but think it's now under a year, and might help to legitimize the collection.

Thank you very much Mark, I wish I had the space to display all 24 different colored pages, it would be pretty spectacular.

Also, I am hopeful that the opinion sellers will allow me to pay them some money. Due to their large size, I expect that the pages will need to be folded numerous times to fit into a slab, but because it would as you mentioned "legitimize the collection" I see no problem in doing that.

[71buc]

Doug those are stunning thanks for sharing!

[BeanTown]

Great looking items Doug.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I received one of these today in finishing a trade with a board member (thank you, Clint) and a question he asked leads me to post this question :

How many of these are there on the "checklist"?

They are full sized newspaper pages, approximately 17 X 23 inches.

Here is what I have :

April 25 - Cartoon about teams taking NL pennant
June 27 - Carl Weilman & Eddie Plank (popular players)
July 4 - Feds (team)
July 11 - Lee Meadows & Urban Faber (pitching sensations)
July 18 - Ty Cobb & Jake Daubert (batting stars)
July 25 - Larry Doyle & Lee Magee (batting stars)
Aug 1 - Bennie Kauff & Vic Saier (base stealers)
Aug 8 - Tris Speaker & George Burns (outfield)
Aug 15 - Rabbit Maranville & Eddie Collins (both sides of second sack)
Aug 22 - Ray Schalk & Frank Snyder (catchers)
Aug 29 - Altrock, Schaefer & Jennings (coaches)

Those are all noted as "Color Sport Supplement" with the date at the top.

I also have a color page from :
Sept 12 - Charles Comiskey (owner)
Sept 19 - Hank O'Day (umpire)

I assume there something in the Sept 5 issue, and I would be curious to see if there are any other "Color Sport Supplements" from before June 27 or after Aug 29.

Does anybody have any that I haven't listed? Does anybody have any info on these issues? Does anybody have any thoughts on these issues?

Thanx,
Doug

WOW

Great Graphics and Great History.

You and your peers might be turning me into a Memorabilia Collector

[Exhibitman]

Those are absolutely beautiful, Doug.

[doug.goodman]

Thanks guys, they certainly are among my favorite items

[doug.goodman]

To the tune of "Lola" by the Kinks...

"Met a guy on ebay and I took him back to my place..."


Ok, well I did meet him on ebay, but actually he invited me over to his place. I went there to buy a few Tip Top Weekly, and a bunch of Work and Win issues that I need. He saw from my flickr site that I am interested in cool old baseball oriented large sized newspaper pages, so he showed me a few that he had, nothing too special, but still kind of cool, so we made a deal on those, too.

When I got home, I went to work scanning everything, saving the large pages for last, because they tend to be harder to scan in that they don't fit on my scanner, so I need to do multiple scans, then combine them so that they look like one.

Hidden behind a slightly faded 1913 page from the San Francisco Call (which shares artwork with a 1912 Collier's cover, but that's for another thread) was this wonderful page below.

I let the guy, who we will call Lola just because now the song is now stuck in my head, know about the oversight and we will factor it into our next deal.

Doug