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Old 01-26-2012, 08:10 PM
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
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Well, well, well, Stephen Rocchi came out of retirement.
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
LOL, oh that's funny!
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This may be a good hobby for a couple of people with degrees in criminology to get into. No shortage of material here.

Me, I'm seriously thinking of becoming an "at risk youth."
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
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I know what you mean. :-)
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
Damn. You got me there... If only I could be an "at-risk youth", maybe she could help me "become compassionate"? Is that better?
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
I will bet she is an examiner alright. It might have nothing to do with autographs but she examines!! I bet she has examined a many a base-ball.
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I will bet she is an examiner alright. It might have nothing to do with autographs but she examines!! I bet she has examined a many a ball.
Leon - tsk,tsk .
Terrible thing to say about such a fine looking lady .
And I do think she looks about 40ish,, but not bad for 40ish,,
Good to have a woman in the business though, especially one who looks like that .
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Leon - tsk,tsk .
Terrible thing to say about such a fine looking lady .
And I do think she looks about 40ish,, but not bad for 40ish,,
Good to have a woman in the business though, especially one who looks like that.
Richard- I was most certainly talking about baseballs.
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Richard- I was most certainly talking about baseballs.

Glad you clarified that, thanks .
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Richard- I was most certainly talking about baseballs.
Yes! Yes! So was I
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
Unbelievable!! Now THATS funny!!!
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I found the following on the FAQ section of their website:

How can third party authentication companies authenticate so many different autographs?

To properly authenticate a signature you must have numerous exemplars to do side by side comparisons. That is why at GFA we only authenticate a limited number of autographs and have experts specialized in these signatures.

I guess one of the forensic people over at GFA specializes in the signatures of Nana Visitor & Avery Brooks. The below Avery Brooks/Nana Visitor signed photo is presently on a auction site that I will not name.

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I don't want to sound stupid here, or w/e, but why n ot give this group a chance?
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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
supposedly, they give you your purchase money back, or replace with an authentic item...However, see the process in order to claim the guarantee that I just posted..
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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
The FAQS indicate they send the questioned item to a third party FDE for determination. If found bad, they refund price or replace with similar item.
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I don't want to sound stupid here, or w/e, but why n ot give this group a chance?
a bunch of ex-cops with the founder of Global and a hot chick? With over 100 years experience, just like stated at Global..

Also check out their guarantee.

"In the event the purchaser of a GFA authenticated signature believes that the signature is not genuine with respect to GFA standards and procedures, he/she may submit the signature through the GFA “Guarantee Resubmission” service and GFA will submit the signature to an authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator for additional examination"

Why does it have to be re-subbed to them, so that they can submit it to their own choice of 3rd party forensic examiner? Who exactly will this 3rd party be? Perhaps Global?
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a bunch of ex-cops with the founder of Global and a hot chick? With over 100 years experience, just like stated at Global..

Also check out their guarantee.

"In the event the purchaser of a GFA authenticated signature believes that the signature is not genuine with respect to GFA standards and procedures, he/she may submit the signature through the GFA “Guarantee Resubmission” service and GFA will submit the signature to an authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator for additional examination"

Why does it have to be re-subbed to them, so that they can submit it to their own choice of 3rd party forensic examiner? Who exactly will this 3rd party be? Perhaps Global?
Global is not a forensic examiner. Neither is PSA or JSA or Ted Taylor. Neither am I.
We know who is.
I guess we will have to wait and find out who is their authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator.
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Their team page lists the founders, the examiners and the investigators(?).
What are the investigators for?
And another point, in the real world, forensic examination implies hours of work to examine one document or signature. It also implies much higher rates when compared to what the TPA's charge if a true forensic examination is offered.
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I found the following on the FAQ section of their website:

How can third party authentication companies authenticate so many different autographs?

To properly authenticate a signature you must have numerous exemplars to do side by side comparisons. That is why at GFA we only authenticate a limited number of autographs and have experts specialized in these signatures.

I guess one of the forensic people over at GFA specializes in the signatures of Nana Visitor & Avery Brooks. The below Avery Brooks/Nana Visitor signed photo is presently on a auction site that I will not name.

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Are you implying this is a case of SSDFE?
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I didn't get out the subtle nuances of the joke, until I checked out the team.
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Jackie looks to be about 28 at most,but says she's been collecting sports for 30 years. Nice trick.
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Jackie looks to be about 28 at most,but says she's been collecting sports for 30 years. Nice trick.
Do you mean her implants look to be about 28? She's easily in her 40's.
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I dont think ebay, psa/dna, or the rest of the so called best experts are mentioned more that 50-60 times with examples. Hmmmm Im so upset, I was told by the yeller on youtube psa/dna was the BEST and only~!
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I dont think ebay, psa/dna, or the rest of the so called best experts are mentioned more that 50-60 times with examples. Hmmmm Im so upset, I was told by the yeller on youtube psa/dna was the BEST and only~!
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I'm on it.....yardboy is "Ken Fraley" and if it is Ken, he and I will be having a nice chat today. If it isn't then I will take care of it......LL
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Anyone else suspect that "Ken" is someone who was tossed off eBay for selling fakes? In my experience, those are the types that tend to attack the TomTresh videos the most vigorously.
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I dont think ebay, psa/dna, or the rest of the so called best experts are mentioned more that 50-60 times with examples. Hmmmm Im so upset, I was told by the yeller on youtube psa/dna was the BEST and only~!
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I don't mind anyone bashing me for what I say, do or write, but at least be a man about it and show your true identity.
Well, this gentleman's wife answered the phone, and once he got on the phone, he and I had a very nice 15 minute chat. He totally understands and appreciates trying to keep this place as "real" as possible. He also told me he had a personally signed Mantle autograph that PSA said was questionable and would not certify. I believe Ken is on the same team as us and feels the same way we do. He can't stand what has happened to this part of the hobby. best regards
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He also told me he had a personally signed Mantle autograph that PSA said was questionable and would not certify. I believe Ken is on the same team as us and feels the same way we do. He can't stand what has happened to this part of the hobby. best regards
So, another scorned submitter lashing out.

I'm frankly puzzled what people mean when they say stuff like, "can't stand what has happened to this part of the hobby."

Were they around in the 90s when literally 80% of the stuff on ebay was fake? Did they go to any of the shows in the 90s when many of the show dealers were selling Marino Family forgeries and no one knew it? Have they forgotten the so-called reputable dealers like B&J Collectibles and Stans Sports selling forgeries by the truckload at shows and in big glossy magazine ads?

Admittedly, the hobby has its issues, but it's way cleaner now than it was a decade ago.
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