O/T, Prince Fielder to Tigers for 9 year deal

packs · #1 01-25-2012, 06:38 PM

I think it would be a mistake to assume ticket prices are how teams make their money. TV deals and merchandising will always bring in more money than ticket sales IF you're a team people want to see play baseball.

I still think the Tigers are going to stink 4/5 days. Their pitching is terrible besides Verlander and everyone knows you can't slug your way to a World Series title. Just look at what happened to the Tigers the last time they were in the Series. Kenny Rogers was their second best pitcher and Todd Jones was their closer. You can't win that way.

Not to mention how awful Verlander is in the post-season.

jcmtiger · #2 01-25-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I think it would be a mistake to assume ticket prices are how teams make their money. TV deals and merchandising will always bring in more money than ticket sales IF you're a team people want to see play baseball.

I still think the Tigers are going to stink 4/5 days. Their pitching is terrible besides Verlander and everyone knows you can't slug your way to a World Series title. Just look at what happened to the Tigers the last time they were in the Series. Kenny Rogers was their second best pitcher and Todd Jones was their closer. You can't win that way.

Not to mention how awful Verlander is in the post-season.

Not sure where you got your stats: below are the wins using the 5 starters for each team. These are for the top 6 teams in the American league for last year. I only used the 5 starting pitchers for each team. Gave Cleveland 6 pitchers to help their total. And Kenny Rogers and Todd Jones are not here anymore. You don't like Valverde as a closer?

Detroit 73 This includes Brad Penny for the 5th starter
Texas 73
Yankees 71
Tampa Bay 64
Los Ageles Angels 58
Cleveland 50 using 6 rather tha 5 pitchers.

Joe

packs · #3 01-25-2012, 10:07 PM

I know Jones and Rogers are gone. I was just pointing out how bad pitching and great hitting led to the Tigers failing to win a championship the last time they had a mashing team.

I wasn't looking at wins. I was looking at ERA. Here are the ERA's of the Tigers' five starters last season:

Verlander : 2.40 (led the league)
Scherzer : 4.43
Procello : 4.75
Penny : 5.30
Phil Coke (started 5th most games) : 4.47

Fister may be good, he may be bad. It's hard to tell. Penny will probably be gone. Valverde was very good last year. Alburquerque was good too.

But who will be their 4th and 5th starters? What if Fister's year was a fluke? That's 3 starters they either don't have or don't know what they'll get from. You can add Porcello to that list too, which would leave just Verlander as a guy you know you can count on. But again, not in the post season.

jcmtiger · #4 01-25-2012, 10:31 PM

Packs,

Unfortunately era's are not what they were in past years and never will be. That is why I look at wins not era. You won't find but a handful of pitchers with era's like Verlander. A handful at most. Pitching is always a suspect area, but I think the Tigers will add another, maybe Edwin jackson, he is available. Scherzer is much better than his era a shows. And I think Fister can win with the number of runs the Tigers will score. Porcello has always been a worry, does not throw hard enough for me, what saves him is high number of ground balls hit off of him. Another choice and I think he will get a chance this year just because of this signing, is Jacob Turner the young star in the minors.

I do think the Tigers will get to the post season again this year. The 2011 post seson was affected by all the rain we had also. Timing was off kilter for the pitching staff.

Another thing that bothers me is when Cabrera gets a hit and is sliding into a base. This will be the same thing for Fielder. Possible injuries. I guess the way to stop that is hitting home runs , about 75-80 between them I hope.

Joe

packs · #5 01-25-2012, 10:40 PM

They're definitely going to hit. Cabrera is incredible and Fielder going to Detroit not only helps the team, but it's a nice story too. Every team has holes. I think they're the team to beat in the division. But I'm still rooting my Yanks to take it all. Definitely worried though. Especially since you beat us last year. Can you tell I'm still not over it?

jcmtiger · #6 01-25-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

They're definitely going to hit. Cabrera is incredible and Fielder going to Detroit not only helps the team, but it's a nice story too. Every team has holes. I think they're the team to beat in the division. But I'm still rooting my Yanks to take it all.

Ok, we'll leave it at that.

Good Luck for the upcoming season.

Joe

Kenny Cole · #7 01-25-2012, 11:16 PM

They better hit alot. I know Miggie will and I suspect that Prince will, even in Comerica. With Prince at first and Miggie at third, I don't see too many gold gloves being handed out in the infield. Last I looked, it seemed like Prince wasn't so much on going more than a few feet left or right. While eating lots of broccoli and carrots may help, you just can't ever call him mobile. I suspect there's going to be a lot of extra base hits down both lines.

ls7plus · #8 01-26-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

They're definitely going to hit. Cabrera is incredible and Fielder going to Detroit not only helps the team, but it's a nice story too. Every team has holes. I think they're the team to beat in the division. But I'm still rooting my Yanks to take it all. Definitely worried though. Especially since you beat us last year. Can you tell I'm still not over it?

Yeah, Joe, I can tell.

Best wishes and good luck to your guys,

Larry

novakjr · #9 01-26-2012, 09:44 PM

Wait...What happened to the big stick that Tony Clark had until he got to Comerica? How 'bout Juan Gonzalez' big stick in Comerica? Carlos Pena's power went off the charts once he got out of there(if you don't count the year sitting on Boston's bench). Johnny Damon had average power but it disappeared when he got there.

Point is, anything can happen when going to a new ballpark. And Comerica has a history of killing power hitters. This may or may not effect Fielder, because it hasn't really effected Miggy. But in the odd chance that it does, we better be prepared for a lot of long fly ball outs and some of the deepest singles we've ever seen in the history of the game...

V-mart's custom fit for that park. Fielder may not be.

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